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@Mahigan Good post.

I wonder what would happen if say... a certain benchmark did light workloads asynchronously, while not do graphics + compute in parallel, and then used a lots of tessellation? redface.gif
Time spy ?
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I think you are both arguing different things.

You are arguing that FuryX beats a GTX 980 Ti under every DX12/Vulkan game.

Remi is arguing that a GTX 1070/1080 are faster than AMDs older generation GPUs.

As for me... I do not care much about the performance I am seeing. I am simply here to explain why we are seeing it. I could care less about benchmarks or epeen.
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There is one dude brushing aside what I am saying (eventhough this is my topic and yes... some of us here ARE ENGINEERS) and others who claim I am making excuses when I am actually attempting to explain what is happening.

There are people who think that Pascal will not gain performance when running Asynchronous compute + graphics. They are wrong.

There are other people who think that Pascal supports Asynchronous Compute + Graphics and they are wrong.

Pascal is using a hack... a clever hack.

Pascal makes use of its more advanced pre-emption capabilities (compared to Maxwell) and its Dynamic Load Balancing capabilities in order to process Asynchronous Compute + Graphics tasks concurrently. There is a limit to how many of these tasks Pascal can handle due to the GPC nature of Pascal. Each GTX 1080 is broken up into 4 GPCs (GPUs within a GPU) and each GPC can only be populated by either an array of Compute or Graphics tasks (not both) at any given time. Therefore a GTX 1080 can have two GPCs populated with Compute Tasks and two GPCs populated with Graphics Tasks (or 3 to 1 etc). The load can be dynamically balanced in order to allow for more GPU resources to be dedicated to one set of tasks over another.

Compute and Graphics tasks are not executed in parallel or concurrently. They are (as in Maxwell) executed sequentially but they are processed (up to a certain limit) concurrently.

This will give you a small performance boost under light loads. This is why nVIDIA released AotS benchmark figures using the "high" preset and not the "crazy" preset.

This is not bickering... that is how Pascal works.

I am only attempting to explain why we see the performance boost. The kicker is that everything I have said comes straight from nVIDIA...
Source... http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/pdfs/GeForce_GTX_1080_Whitepaper_FINAL.pdf
Translated... In other words... you have one GPC handling Graphics and another handling Compute. You have one task in the GPC handling Graphics which is synchronized with one task in the GPC handling Compute. If the Compute task takes longer than the Graphics task and if there are idle compute resources in the GPC in which this longer running compute task is located then those idle resources can be dynamically assigned to the long running compute task in order to boost performance and complete it quicker.
Translated... In other words if you have a high priority Asychronous compute + graphics task that enters the pipeline it can be assigned a priority over currently running tasks. So a GPC will be flushed of currently running tasks (taking less than 100 ms) so that this high priority job can be executed quickly.


What if the GPU is busy and there are no idling resources? That is my argument. You get no performance boost from using Dynamic Load Balancing and thus no performance boost (and maybe even a performance loss) when running high Asynchronous Compute + Graphics workloads.

So yeah... not bickering... informing people instead.

This has been interesting to read for sure , before the time spy benchmark i was a bit dubious that anything was actually occurring other than spin from Nvs side.

Its still a hack or the less elegant approach as this switching still has small time penalties and in worst case heavy load situations there are likely no gains to be had via this pre-emptive split loading method.

It does however move mid way between nothing and some gain which is a good step forward for NV. Games unfortunately have shown very little gain , i would say half of what we are seeing here . So this could be quite difficult to optimise.

I think it shows that either system can only use the idle resources available to get gains from async commands, hence polaris with way less streaming processors than Fury X has far less chance of an idle stream processor (possibly it would show better if the bench ran at 1080p). Also the 1080 gains slightly more than the 1070 as it has a 1/4 of its GPCs fused off , so hence it has less idle units for a given work load than the 1080 could.
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@Slomo4shO  30 points difference on 7870 XT

 

Async:

 

 

Nosync:

 

     
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How do you enable / disable async?
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@Mahigan Good post.

I wonder what would happen if say... a certain benchmark did light workloads asynchronously, while not doing graphics + compute in parallel, and then used a lots of tessellation? redface.gif

Lots of Tessellation would kill anything older than Polaris. If a certain benchmark were using lots of tessellation... we would see the RX 480 pull ahead of an R9 390/390x.

If a certain benchmark were using light workloads then we would see Pascal gaining a bigger boost than we see in games.

If a certain benchmark were not doing Graphics + Compute in parallel but was instead handling them concurrently (filling in gaps) then we would not see as large a boost from AMDs hardware than is otherwise possible and we would see good gains from Pascal rather than negligible gains.

Hope that answers your questions.
Edited by Mahigan - 7/14/16 at 6:43pm
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How do you enable / disable async?

 

Run as custom, there's a toggle under the custom settings.

     
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Polaris has 4 ACEs vs 8 ACEs.

It is identical to Fiji. 4 ACEs + 2 hardware schedulers



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@Slomo4shO
  30 points difference on 7870 XT
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Async:




Nosync:



That is a pitiful 2% gain.
Edited by Slomo4shO - 7/14/16 at 6:44pm
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Id be sharing 280x results if i could full throttle internet connection right now. So anyone checked gpu usage on time spy? especially amd users.
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@Slomo4shO
  30 points difference on 7870 XT

Async:




Nosync:



o_O

Maybe Mahigan would like to pitch in on this.
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Id be sharing 280x results if i could full throttle internet connection right now. So anyone checked gpu usage on time spy? especially amd users.

 

My hilarious 7870 XT runs achieved full usage. I'll check the 390's when I run them again but they seemed to be utilised IIRC.

     
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
Other
Xbox One Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.6GHz Asrock Z97 Extreme6 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133 10-10-10-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cryorig H5 Ultimate Corsair AF120 (White LED) x3 Corsair AF140 (White LED) x2 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2440L Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 EVGA B2 850w Corsair 300R 
Mouse
SteelSeries Rival 300 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X @ 4.0 GHz 1.37v o/s  Biostar X370 GT7 Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2 G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) @ 32... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
Other
Xbox One Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.6GHz Asrock Z97 Extreme6 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133 10-10-10-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cryorig H5 Ultimate Corsair AF120 (White LED) x3 Corsair AF140 (White LED) x2 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2440L Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 EVGA B2 850w Corsair 300R 
Mouse
SteelSeries Rival 300 
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