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My old Q6600 @ 2.7GHz was still bottlenecking an ancient GTX260 in one of the older Need for Speed titles, I think it was Shift, moving to a Sandy Bridge based Pentium Dual Core removed the bottleneck. thumb.gif

Games that long ago had pretty ****e multicore optimization. Thats when there was no differences between a core 2 duo and a quad. Nowadays, its make or break if you had to choose between those two in modern games. You can feel pretty safe that a core2 quad nowadays will get capped to 100% in ALL AAA games coming out today. But if i had to choose between a ddr2 basedsystem with a core 2 quad or the jaguar cpu in the consoles, id choose the core 2 quad any day of the week. Oc to 4ghz and enjoy 60fps in "high" settings in games, not maxed since it puts too much strain on the cpu. Trust me, i have one tongue.gif
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ASSUMING THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE THE SOURCE WCC FREAKING F:

The CPU is faster than Athlon 5350 by 50 whole MHz, but with twice the cores. Take a look. It should be comparable to an FX-8000 series CPU at like 2.2-2.3GHz. (Oddly, two Jaguar cores beat one Piledriver module clock for clock, but lose to two Piledriver cores in two separate modules. Bulldozer is a strange beast.)

In other words, awful. A stock i3 comes embarrassingly close to matching it in multicore (yes, 2 cores are about as good as 8), and it utterly destroys it - faster by a factor of 3-4 I'd estimate - with just one core. This is a tablet architecture being combined with - judging by the compute units and memory bandwidth - full Polaris. That is some pretty asymmetric hardware used. Compared to flagships over time, the GPU is about 7 years newer than the CPU (though to be fair CPUs haven't been improving nearly as quickly - a Core2Quad is much more usable today than, say, a GTX 680 despite being much older).

Terrible job on Sony's part choosing appropriate parts. Why not use, say, Excavator or Steamroller cores instead? They'll clock higher and perform significantly better.

I've been gaming on my laptop for a bit and even older games like CS Source w/ 64 player maps the frames can tank pretty hard, sometimes hitting mins in the mid 20's. My laptop uses a four core puma cpu (15w tdp A8 6410) which is just a revised, slightly higher clocked and cooler running version of jaguar. Keep in mind it will throttle the cpu in favor of the gpu portion so it's usually running at 1.6ghz-1.8ghz during loaded gaming instead of the stock 2.0ghz and 2.4ghz turbo.

The IPC on them is VERY weak. This is the main reason games are now being properly multithreaded because they need to be for playable performance, especially on cpu heavy games. A jaguar/puma core at 2ghz should be roughly equal to a piledriver core at 2.5ghz or so from my understanding. Not fast, not fast at all - but having a total of 8 proper cores on them makes them decently powerful if you can code to take advantage of it.

In a way, consoles going the low ipc 8 core design actually pushed forward multithreading in games by quite a bit.
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Hopefully they use some of the beefed-up hardware to get some kind of abstraction layer running that can actively play PS3 games. If Neo doesn't have backwards compatibility, I really can't see the system selling well at all.
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Only reason I'm getting a Neo is UHD Blu-ray playback with HDR for my 4K TV and God of War maybe other games if anything worthwhile comes out. But mainly native Playback for my current pile of 4K movies from Amazon.
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U4 looks good but its resolution makes it look eh...And at 30fps eh even more
my skyrim moded texture is higher than that crap. biggrin.gif
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Only reason I'm getting a Neo is UHD Blu-ray playback with HDR for my 4K TV and God of War maybe other games if anything worthwhile comes out. But mainly native Playback for my current pile of 4K movies from Amazon.

 

That alone will move units. When the PS2 had just released I remember loads of kids my age getting their parents to buy one because it wasn't just a game console - it played DVD's as well! :P If I didn't have my HTPC I'd be buying one for the same reason, video playback.

 

That said, just the fact that the console should be able to push higher stable frame-rates should greatly improve the console gaming experience for those who pick up a Neo.

     
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Yeah I mean if UHD players drop below $200 before neo cones out I'll reconsider but ones with features I want are still sitting at the $699+ mark so would make more sense to get the Neo at prob same price as it'll handle more then playback I can game on it here there as well so it'll be better buy.
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Getting PS4 "Neo" because of UHD Bluray and HDR support and a list of exclusives I want to play (I don't own the old PS4).

I will pick up a 2016 OLED TV at the same time. Hopefully it will be a decent combo.
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Well I tested 4K YouTube some are pretty damn sick though my 120mb down 10mb up and shield pro can't do 4K Netflix I'd rather tested that but Netflix tested my lines they saw shield barely pulling enough for HD playback. Even though I connected via wired connection. Either way least what I been able to test looked great on my 2016 Samsung 4K.
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Well I tested 4K YouTube some are pretty damn sick though my 120mb down 10mb up and shield pro can't do 4K Netflix I'd rather tested that but Netflix tested my lines they saw shield barely pulling enough for HD playback. Even though I connected via wired connection. Either way least what I been able to test looked great on my 2016 Samsung 4K.

Well this updated PS4 should get H.265/HEVC and VP9 hardware decoding making it smooth as butter.

UHD stream with decent bitrate should take up 20-25 mbit/s. Netflix 1080p H.264 is like 6-8 mbit/s here.
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