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The question is not "can" it be done, but "should" it be done.

I think 4K is a general graphical improvement on just about everything, but there certainly are plenty of game genres that would not significantly benefit from increased resolution.
id Software would have no trouble at all running DOOM at 4K on Scorpio, and they probably should run DOOM in 4K. Whether or not the next Mortal Kombat or Candy Crush should be run in 4K is a good question, but thet important thing for us to remember is it's a question of game design, not hardware.

They could totally pull off 4K Gaming with the Scorpio, there's a fair bit of headroom remaining even after running 1080p Xbox One games at 4K, this could be used to make graphical improvements, or even performance improvements.

However I'm quite conflicted whether they should push for native 4K or stick to 1080p and potentially downsample from a higher resolution like 1440p and use the remaining horsepower to push the graphical fidelity further.

Attempting to get Xbox One games to run at 4K will consume the majority of the new GPU's resources, and they wont look leaps and bounds above the Xbox One version other than pixel count and image quality due to this, however there is totally the potential for games to look a fair bit better than the PS4 and Xbox One versions of the game.

If the developers were to take advantage of this additional horsepower at 1080p or higher then they could create games which are substantially more visually stunning, they could even push for higher frame-rates.

I strongly believe this would be a better use of the power on offer, the Scorpio's hardware is like a half generational jump in power, the jump from multi-platform Xbox 360, PS3 and PC games to Xbox One, PS4 and PC games is huge, there's certainly more to give in the current generation consoles and the Scorpio's hardware will be able to deliver additional improvements on-top of this.

It's totally down to the developers though, Phil Spencer said that they can use the hardware however they want.
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PC isnt scorpio tho thats what im trying to say and never believe everything micro soft says.. People really havent learned with the xb1 i guess....I could be wrong but from consoles history most likely im right and i called it before the xb1 came out everyone was hyping the console all over the place and lol its struggling to do 60fps at 1080p alot....Im just saying when they say "native 4k" take that with a BIG grain of salt...

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When the XB1 released with its 1.23TFLOPS GPU we already had the R9 290X with its 5.63TFLOPS, thats too big of a gap, the XB1 GPU was simply underpowered even on release day.

For Scorpio the gap should be much less, 6TFLOPS vs (~10TFLOPS?? for Big Vega).

The Xbox One's hardware is GARBAGE! I've been saying it since they announced it, you have no idea how pissed I was when they announced the console, it broke my heart, the Xbox 360 is my favorite games console of all time.

The Xbox One went against almost everything the Xbox franchise was, they suffered from a serious lack of focus and it seriously harmed the Xbox franchise.
The console had seriously weak hardware coupled with the forced Kinect which raised the price of the console above the more powerful PlayStation 4, this alongside many terrible decisions almost destroyed the Xbox franchise, they even tried to push DRM, it was a catastrophe. How they screwed up so bad? We still don't know.

The Xbox 360 dominated in the console game which Sony had been in for years, the PlayStation 2 dominated absolutely everything in the 6th generation and it put the final nail in the coffin for Sega's console business, it then went on to become the best selling games console in history. Microsoft went up against that kind of competition in the 7th generation and succeeded, it's absolutely insane how they almost lost it all with the Xbox One.
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isn't PS4's CPU its weakest link? Only clocking it a bit higher won't do much..? I guess pushing VR/4K it's more so about the GPU?

Can PS4 owners tell me what happen when you connect a current PS4 to a UHD display? The display may upscale the signal but the PS4 can't? So this 4K rumour is only upscaling or natively rendering at 4k?

I'm totally on the Neo hype train BTW. I have a crazy PS3 backlog but have no idea what I'd like to play on PS4 except for Naughty Dog stuff, Bloodborne and HOrizon zero dawn. Probably won't bother with Gran Turismo any more. Sly, Ratchet and God of War does not interest me any more.

Before I sold it, plugging my PS4 into my 4K monitor resulted in a blurry mess. Neither the console or display handled the situation well.
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Before I sold it, plugging my PS4 into my 4K monitor resulted in a blurry mess. Neither the console or display handled the situation well.
Why would the console care? It would output the same 1080p it always has.
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All im saying is before hyping up a console lets see what it can do ..Just because they say its going to be 4k doesnt mean its going to be smooth or rather a good experience..Just look at the xb1 that should be enough credit to tell someone never believe untill you see the final product in action...Dont get me wrong the xb1 is decent but that machine got hyped up untill launched then got exposed after...And 30fps? No thanks
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I just don't care about TV shows, movies, nor console gaming at 4K. I'm more excited about the frame rate increase. I would love to see more 60fps console games. IMO that makes more of a difference then resolution when it comes to gameplay.
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Hard drives must be expensive... cheapskates...

Yeah you would think they would at least go "hybrid" by now with a 32gb SSD chip as a cache... I have an SSD in my PS4 and it makes a noticeable difference. Why drop the ball on such a little thing?
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What with all future first party Microsoft titles being released on both the Xbox platform and Windows 10, PC enthusiasts have no reason to drop down cash for the Scorpio later next year. A Neo would be a nice compliment to a gaming PC assuming you give a hoot about Sony first party or third party exclusives. Hope they stick to the $399 price though.
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Why drop the ball on such a little thing?

Probably because the hard drive is the most expensive part next to the APU and memory.

Still though, 500 GB version should be eliminated. 1 TB should be the standard.

I think SSD would be overkill for a console though.
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Probably because the hard drive is the most expensive part next to the APU and memory.

Still though, 500 GB version should be eliminated. 1 TB should be the standard.

I think SSD would be overkill for a console though.

Not a full SSD, last xmas I bought a 32gb sandisk ssd cache for my dad and sister only $29ea which could be made a-lot cheaper both a year later and in the bulk that a ps4 could buy in. They have breathed life into the lame dell computers they both had, by a noticeable margin!
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Still can't believe they still haven't upgraded it to SATA 3.

I mean come on.. what year is it? It's as if they don't care about load times.
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