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P = fcV²

f= frequency
c= capacitance
V= voltage

Capacitance goes down with temperature, for the sake of this argument lets just assume a 5% drop.

120W = 1266MHz* c *1.15V²

120W = 1674.285 MHzV² *c

c = 120W/1674.285MHzV²

c = 0.07167

0.07167 * .95 = 0.06809

P = 1700MHz * 0.06809 * 1.5V²

P = 260.4 W with above rough estimation. Bare in mind, this is just the GPU power consumption and not board power consumption.
Edited by Slomo4shO - 7/15/16 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

P = fcV²

f= frequency
c= capacitance
V= voltage

Capacitance goes down with temperature, for the sake of this argument lets just assume a 5% drop.

120W = 1266MHz* c *1.15V²

120W = 1674.285 MHzV² *c

c = 150W/1674.285MHzV²

c = 0.06809

0.09859 * .95 = 0.06809

P = 1700MHz * 0.06809 * 1.5V²

P = 260.4 W with above rough estimation. Bare in mind, this is just the GPU power consumption and not board power consumption.

I used different figures. 110w GPU TDP, 1.085v stock voltage. I also added around 60w for the rest of the board for a total of ~340w.
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I used different figures. 110w GPU TDP, 1.085v stock voltage. I also added around 60w for the rest of the board for a total of ~340w.

268.2W GPU power with your TDP and voltage. Are you accounting for lower capacitance due to temperature coefficient?
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268.2W GPU power with your TDP and voltage. Are you accounting for lower capacitance due to temperature coefficient?

Not at all, I'm simply pointing out that I have lower figures for stock TDP and vGPU.
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P = fcV²

f= frequency
c= capacitance
V= voltage

Capacitance goes down with temperature, for the sake of this argument lets just assume a 5% drop.

120W = 1266MHz* c *1.15V²

120W = 1674.285 MHzV² *c

c = 150W/1674.285MHzV²

c = 0.06809

0.09859 * .95 = 0.06809

P = 1700MHz * 0.06809 * 1.5V²

P = 260.4 W with above rough estimation. Bare in mind, this is just the GPU power consumption and not board power consumption.

I'm just trying to understand your math here. Why did you switch from 120W to 150W? I don't see that in the formula.
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The increase in power is extremely rapid on 14nm LPP as the voltage is increased. On the GlobalFoundries 28nm (GF28A) bulk process AMD was using on Steamroller the relation was already ^3, when pushed slightly beyond the optimal Fmax region. People have been posting images showing 243 - 265W power draw for the GPU when it is pushed to 1500MHz / 1.3000V region. Based on those figures the relation is around ^4.3 on 14nm LPP parts. Even at stock the RX 480 is already operating far outside the optimal frequency & voltage range of the 14nm LPP process and the lower-end variants (RX 470 / RX 460) which are clocked lower at lower voltage levels will show this clearly.

Cooling the GPU to sub-zero temperatures will greatly reduce the leakage and at > -120°C I would expect that the total power draw has reduced at least by 40%, compared to normal operating temperatures. Still I would expect the GPU to consume around 350W at 1700MHz / 1.500V, since obviously the die temperature won't be anywhere near > -120°C under full load.
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And then Der8auer comes in and smashes the score
http://hwbot.org/submission/3264323_der8auer_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_rx_480_15389_marks

Exactly what i expected, something was up with that first run. If they can get 1700/2300 stable, we should see around 18.8k gpu score before tess mods.

Doesn't really get me exited for glofo vega if this is the limit though. I wonder how a a lightning 480 would fare, if they ever make one that is.
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P = fcV²

f= frequency
c= capacitance
V= voltage

Capacitance goes down with temperature, for the sake of this argument lets just assume a 5% drop.

120W = 1266MHz* c *1.15V²

120W = 1674.285 MHzV² *c

c = 150W/1674.285MHzV²

c = 0.06809

0.09859 * .95 = 0.06809


P = 1700MHz * 0.06809 * 1.5V²

P = 260.4 W with above rough estimation. Bare in mind, this is just the GPU power consumption and not board power consumption.

Since when is
0.09859 * .95 = 0.06809 ???

Was that calculation sponsored by RTG?

Also, capacitance increases when voltage increases, because it will take longer to fully drain a gate when a higher voltage is applied.
Edited by TheLAWNOOB - 7/15/16 at 10:11am
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I'm just trying to understand your math here. Why did you switch from 120W to 150W? I don't see that in the formula.

Sorry, it should all be 120W. Corrected the typo.
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