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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

Can I have what you are smoking?


As SD TV looks horrible.

HD Netflix looks pretty decent, nice clean image for the most part. If that is not the same for you, I would look into your internet connection. As you clearly are not getting the full HD resolution.

SD content upconverted to 1080p looks on par or better than netflix HD to me. Perhaps not the pure SD output from the DTV receiver.
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I lived with SD DirecTV for a long time, it did not look better than Netflix then.

Even Blu-rays are compressed, BTW. You won't find lossless compression anywhere.


I think your ISP must be throttling your Netflix. I'm usually a video quality nut who can't watch videos without a big CPU/GPU for SVP and other filters, but Netflix's quality is fine.

to me DTV sd content upconverted using my audio receiver provides a much better experience than netflix HD does. According to netflix's new site I am not being throttled, and I do subscribe to hd service.

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I can tell you don't know much about digital video.

Blu-ray uses MPEG4, MPEG2, and VC-1. Ultra HD Blu-ray uses h.265 and offer HDR and higher color bit depth among some other things.

Blu-ray uses crappy color compression too, it's hardly a "source." Google "4:2:0 color compression."

DCP, what they use in theaters, is the closest you might get to a source. Even then, it uses intra-frame compression using JPEG2000 or MPEG2. "Consumer" video also uses inter-frame compression.

Not only that, Blu-ray is a 16:9 format without anamorphic pixels. Those 21:9'ish movies on Blu-ray with black bars on the top and bottom is closer to 720p than 1080p.

The only good thing about Blu-ray is the bit-rate for video and audio.

For most people who sit 10 feet away from a 42" 1080p TV, 6 Mbps Netflix is beyond fine.

My problem is that Netflix uses the minimum bit-rate spec for their DD+ tracks. Their stereo AAC tracks are simple horrible.

Frankly, of all the streaming services, they have the best video quality.

I'm not going to argue over a forum post, and I'm certainly not going to make assumptions about someone based on a few short sentences. So you can bugger off with that tone.
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I'm not going to argue over a forum post, and I'm certainly not going to make assumptions about someone based on a few short sentences. So you can bugger off with that tone.

I wasn't the one claiming Blu-ray was source quality. If you're going to criticize something, research it a bit.

Other than some banding and a lack of "film grain" / noise, a "Super HD" looks good compared to a blu-ray.

Not excellent, but not horrible, not bad, not poor, etc - good.. But it does look better than MPEG2 1080i streams over cable. Satellite uses MPEG4 and the quality can vary, but with DirecTV, Netflix usually looks better than that.

The thing you might be experiencing is that NOT ALL 1080p Netflix streams get up to the "Super HD" 6 Mbps rate. It varies from title to title/ internet traffic/ etc.. From my experience, it does make noticeable difference between a 4 Mbps and 6 Mbps 1080p Netflix stream.
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I wasn't the one claiming Blu-ray was source quality. If you're going to criticize something, research it a bit.

Other than some banding and a lack of "film grain" / noise, a "Super HD" looks good compared to a blu-ray.

Not excellent, but not horrible, not bad, not poor, etc - good.. But it does look better than MPEG2 1080i streams over cable. Satellite uses MPEG4 and the quality can vary, but with DirecTV, Netflix usually looks better than that.

The thing you might be experiencing is that NOT ALL 1080p Netflix streams get up to the "Super HD" 6 Mbps rate. It varies from title to title/ internet traffic/ etc.. From my experience, it does make noticeable difference between a 4 Mbps and 6 Mbps 1080p Netflix stream.

Pretty much any NetFlix Original content from what Ive noticed is capable of streaming at the highest 1080p bit rate netflix offers.
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I wasn't the one claiming Blu-ray was source quality. If you're going to criticize something, research it a bit.

Other than some banding and a lack of "film grain" / noise, a "Super HD" looks good compared to a blu-ray.

Not excellent, but not horrible, not bad, not poor, etc - good.. But it does look better than MPEG2 1080i streams over cable. Satellite uses MPEG4 and the quality can vary, but with DirecTV, Netflix usually looks better than that.

The thing you might be experiencing is that NOT ALL 1080p Netflix streams get up to the "Super HD" 6 Mbps rate. It varies from title to title/ internet traffic/ etc.. From my experience, it does make noticeable difference between a 4 Mbps and 6 Mbps 1080p Netflix stream.

You might want to rethink how you're defining my use of the word source. To make it more clear to you, source of content refers to blu-ray, dvd, sat/cable, off air, streaming content. Not the "original source" or form it was filmed in.

The only point I was making is that netflix Hd quality doesn't match that of other sources and is quite poor compared to them. All video formats are compressed, unless you get the raw data directly from the camera used during filming. The only way to get the best quality is again by blu-ray, digital copy, or off air broadcast by local provider.
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lol.. weren't they sued for this same kind of thing years ago? they killed Netscape using this 'bundling' tactic.
     
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lol.. weren't they sued for this same kind of thing years ago? they killed Netscape using this 'bundling' tactic.

did you read the source? thumb.gif
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