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Originally Posted by guttheslayer View Post

Err no, unless you mean beating the GTX 1180 (Notice I mention 1280 for Volta?). For this case you must compare 980 vs 680, or GK104 vs GM104 which is the direct successor on chip.


GK104 -> GM104 -> GP104 all increase by 512 core count. You might see a core reduction if you are comparing GTX 1180 with 3200 or 3584 cores on GP102, but against the original GTX 1080, it will still net a 512 cores increment.


Of cos all this are pure speculation but I see a very high chance of a 3072 GV104 running 10-15% faster than a maxed out GP100 with 3840 cores.
1180 vs 1280, can't seem to understand your made-up naming scheme, are they both Volta or is 1180 another revision of Pascal ?
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1180 vs 1280, can't seem to understand your made-up naming scheme, are they both Volta or is 1180 another revision of Pascal ?

GTX 1080 - GP104
GTX 1180 - GP100/102
GTX 1280 - GV104

I am just following the numerical order, if it does confuse you lets just say the 12th generation of X80 vs the 11th generation of X80.


Let look back in history and see the trend:


GK104 > GF110
GK110 > GK104
GM204 > GK110
GM200 > GM204
GP104 > GM200 - We are here, in this stage
GP100 > GP104

GV104 > GP100

The bold statement is the one we are referring to, which is 2 generation ahead.
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its about time someone started the HBM2 production, now all we have to do is wait for the cards. biggrin.gif

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1180 vs 1280, can't seem to understand your made-up naming scheme, are they both Volta or is 1180 another revision of Pascal ?

the rumors indicates that they'll refresh pascal with GP102, along with rebrands.
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GTX 1080 - GP104
GTX 1180 - GP100/102
GTX 1280 - GV104

I am just following the numerical order, if it does confuse you lets just say the 12th generation of X80 vs the 11th generation of X80.


Let look back in history and see the trend:


GK104 > GF110
GK110 > GK104
GM204 > GK110
GM200 > GM204
GP104 > GM200 - We are here, in this stage
GP100 > GP104

GV104 > GP100

The bold statement is the one we are referring to, which is 2 generation ahead.

GP100 won't be released in desktop, furthermore it can't be used as a graphics card.
it does not have any ROP units, and nearly a third of it's core count are DP units, its entirely designed for pure computation workloads.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/17/16 at 9:12am
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its about time someone else started the HBM2 production, now all we have to do is wait for the cards. biggrin.gif
the rumors indicates that they'll refresh pascal with GP102, along with rebrands.


Usually Nvidia architecture are meant to last at least 2 years, this has been going on for many years.

Tesla: 2008-2010
Fermi: 2010-2012
Kepler: 2012-2014
Maxwell: 2014-2016
Pascal: 2016-2018 (est)
Volta: 2018+

So dont expect pascal to get "obsolete" so fast, hence the rebrand will come next year.
Edited by guttheslayer - 7/17/16 at 8:41am
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its about time someone else started the HBM2
GP100 won't be released in desktop, furthermore it can't be used as a graphics card.
it does not have any ROP units, and nearly half of it's die is DP units, its entirely designed for pure computation workloads.


Too early to say at this point, there is already a PCIe Tesla P100

And you miss out this big rumor where Titan is based on HBM and we know GP100 run on HBM. Coming out on August Gamecon.


Either way, rest assured, GP104 wont be the only gaming flagship for the entire Pascal lineup, and is 100% guaranteed, be it GP100 or 102, the big pascal be the flagship for year 2017.
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So this means Hynix will join Samsung as HBM2 producers

What? Hynix developed HBM in conjunction with AMD... Hynix was the only manufacturer to produce HBM gen 1 memory. Not sure how you can argue that Hynix is joining Samsung in production when Hynix outlined their HBM production plans almost 2 years ago... The JEDEC specifications for HBM2 were just released earlier this year. Samsung only entered the HBM market after HBM2 specifications were released... Hynix will still be first to market with HBM2 memory.

Way to put the cart before the horse...
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What? Hynix developed HBM in conjunction with AMD... Hynix was the only manufacturer to produce HBM gen 1 memory. Not sure how you can argue that Hynix is joining Samsung in production when Hynix outlined their HBM production plans almost 2 years ago... The JEDEC specifications for HBM2 were just released earlier this year. Samsung only entered the HBM market after HBM2 specifications were released... Hynix will still be first to market with HBM2 memory.

Way to put the cart before the horse...

Only a paid Hynix marketing shill would bother with such mundane technicalities.
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Yeah how about those Nvidia GP100 with Samsung HBM2, those are imaginary eah instead of revealed this April and in production since rolleyes.gif

Samsung is first to market with HBM2, http://www.anandtech.com/show/9969/jedec-publishes-hbm2-specification. Hence why I said Hynix is joining Samsung, as Samsung have produced HBM2 since Q1 wheras Hynix will only start in Q3.

Your counterargument is a limited production product from the GTC 2016 conference which won't actually ship until Q1 2017 and will be using both Samsung and Hynix HBM2? Also, considering that Hynix showcased wafers of HBM2 in March 2015 at GTC 2015, which company was more likely to have their memory in the P100 this April?

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How about you stop making a fool of yourself.

Oh the irony rolleyes.gif
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Too early to say at this point, there is already a PCIe Tesla P100

And you miss out this big rumor where Titan is based on HBM and we know GP100 run on HBM. Coming out on August Gamecon.


Either way, rest assured, GP104 wont be the only gaming flagship for the entire Pascal lineup, and is 100% guaranteed, be it GP100 or 102, the big pascal be the flagship for year 2017.

there is a difference between a computation card and a graphics card.
GP100 cannot be used as a graphics card, it does not have any raster engine, what part of that can't you understand?

GP102 will be using HBM, and GP102 will also be big pascal.
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Your counterargument is a limited production product from the GTC 2016 conference which won't actually ship until Q1 2017 and will be using both Samsung and Hynix HBM2? Also, considering that Hynix showcased wafers of HBM2 in March 2015 at GTC 2015, which company was more likely to have their memory in the P100 this April?
Oh the irony rolleyes.gif

So, why was the point(Mine being Samsung begin production sooner, therefore Hynix is joining, which you took offense like the Hynix fanboy you are) worth arguing, are you paid by Hynix marketing or something? Hynix and Samsung will both be producing HBM2, more supply is good for every consumer and bad for paid marketing shill like you.

Samsung begin mass production of HBM2 in Q1 at the time when Hynix was still planning to produce it soon and according to this article they won't have it ready to ship until Q3. Wouldn't any logical person decide that Samsung is first in HBM2 production?
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