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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post


That's a myth, people will simply use what they feel they need in a given circumstance. If people were so resistant to change smartphones wouldn't have caught on and dumb phones would still be reigning.

Some things, given enough quality, have obvious merits that are so abundantly clear that everything else is put aside as a niche product. Take digital cameras, for example. But then, after you reach around the 8 megapixel threshold with a good optical zoom and optical image stabilization, it's hard to see much more in subsequent yearly improvements that warrants buying a new one if the one you have is still working (maybe if you also invest in video and want more fps at 1080p or even 4K video). The same with Windows, which has reached good enough status for the modern digital age with Windows 7. Windows 10 is a regression in terms of privacy, user control and aesthetics and many of the new features are of a niche use. One of them, a terrible idea to begin with, was even discontinued recently (Wi-Fi sense).

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a myth. There's plenty of work done in sociology and mass psychology to suggest that people are innately averse to change from the familiar. Humans are adaptive but not in all cases and certainly not fluidly so. Your digital camera example is a good one. However, looking at smart-phones which had an unusually quick adoption scale, it still took more than half a decade between availability and 10% market penetration. Partly that was due to costs, and pricing versus availability is an entirely different discussion in terms of mass psychology.

 

My point, though, was more that even people fairly versed in PC's and technology will piss and moan about Windows but they won't leave it. That's partly due to MS effectively owning certain applications (gaming, as an example) and it's partly due to a lack of willingness to adopt something new. How many people give Linux a try, say they like it, and yet still return to Windows? I'm not personally a devoted Linux advocate, and I'm less-concerned with the NSA spying on my cat pictures than I am about how that spying (or whatever) affects the background processes in my OS. But I think it's impossible to discount aversion to change when talking about why people with massive crusades against Windows continue to grin and bear it when it comes to daily use. Magnify that to the nth degree when we talk about less technologically literate people - they may hate Windows 10, but by god they'll use it because learning something else is out of the question.

 

Obviously, I don't disagree with what you said about user control, aesthetics, and features, as in the post you quoted I specifically mentioned W7 as what I had hoped to be a turning point in the MS approach to operating systems.

     
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I wouldn't call "inertia" a strength. tongue.gif

But yeah Windows does have a stranglehold on PC gaming unfortunately.
Vulkan, Vulkan, Vulkan.
But no honestly, I can't stand 99% of the apps and adminstration on Linux it's all stone age in CLI and 9/10 apps don't even work or have to be compiled from sources or some other caveat. Maybe some day there will be a usable Linux core with apps on top of it that isn't that bad but so far it's far from what Windows offers and it's not gaming that I'm worried about it's the production stuff, professional apps, development, ...
Linux is good to be moded for special purposes and that's about it so far.
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Vulkan, Vulkan, Vulkan.
But no honestly, I can't stand 99% of the apps and adminstration on Linux it's all stone age in CLI and 9/10 apps don't even work or have to be compiled from sources or some other caveat. Maybe some day there will be a usable Linux core with apps on top of it that isn't that bad but so far it's far from what Windows offers and it's not gaming that I'm worried about it's the production stuff, professional apps, development, ...
Linux is good to be moded for special purposes and that's about it so far.

 

That's a whole 'nother problem, where Linux as it exists now could be used as a framework for something more user-friendly and intuitive than even the Ubuntu-type variants. That very idea, though, offends a significant core of Linux users and so it's unlikely to happen so long as that community remains fractured and intent on special-snowflake status. There is shooting yourself in the foot, and then there's calling in air-strikes on your loafers, and that's what the larger Linux community has been doing for years.

     
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That's a shame. tongue.gif

I actually used a Windows phone for a short time, just to try it out. The UI that I hate so much in Windows 8 was actually very nice on a mobile

Windows 8 tiles is only good for Media Centers / Phones. Desktop is too counter intuitive
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Windows 8 tiles is only good for Media Centers / Phones. Desktop is too counter intuitive

 

Exactly my point. It was very convenient on my mobile but I can't stand it on anything without a touchscreen.

     
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Vulkan, Vulkan, Vulkan.
But no honestly, I can't stand 99% of the apps and adminstration on Linux it's all stone age in CLI and 9/10 apps don't even work or have to be compiled from sources or some other caveat. Maybe some day there will be a usable Linux core with apps on top of it that isn't that bad but so far it's far from what Windows offers and it's not gaming that I'm worried about it's the production stuff, professional apps, development, ...
Linux is good to be moded for special purposes and that's about it so far.

Seriously? What year did you try Linux? Because 99/100 apps work and don't have to be compiled from source. Maybe you have specific niche (production stuff is strangely Windows own until you get into the big leagues where companies do movies on Linux machines) demands but I can tell you general users wouldn't have to do any of that.
     
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Seriously? What year did you try Linux? Because 99/100 apps work and don't have to be compiled from source. Maybe you have specific niche (production stuff is strangely Windows own until you get into the big leagues where companies do movies on Linux machines) demands but I can tell you general users wouldn't have to do any of that.

Sounds like 1999 to me. I remember buying Slackware 4 and having to deal with too many headaches to get it up and running. Nowadays, with Linux Mint/Ubuntu, Linux is a lot more user friendly.
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gaming PCs will all get there eventually after the Win 7/8 loyalists cant resist anymore


noone cares about WinPhones

Who is noone?
     
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Oh yeah what I meant was "inertia" isn't an innate strength, but more like something Macrohard exploits to keep people from leaving.

Macrohard...snort...lachen.gif I love it!
     
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Vulkan, Vulkan, Vulkan.
But no honestly, I can't stand 99% of the apps and adminstration on Linux it's all stone age in CLI and 9/10 apps don't even work or have to be compiled from sources or some other caveat. Maybe some day there will be a usable Linux core with apps on top of it that isn't that bad but so far it's far from what Windows offers and it's not gaming that I'm worried about it's the production stuff, professional apps, development, ...
Linux is good to be moded for special purposes and that's about it so far.

The Linux command line is so stone age that Linux's Bash Shell is now being incorporated into Windows. rolleyes.gif
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