Originally Posted by bond10
What didn't you like about the DM1 Pro S?
It's exactly the same clicks and sensor feeling as the revel.. there are a lot of differences though..
Shape is very different between the 2, and I love the revels's shape way more since it's very close to the kana's shape, which is my favorite shape:
(personal opinion, so it won't apply for you unless you don't like the sensei shape, and like kana/xai/kinzu better)
DM 1 has a bigger hump than the revel, which I don't like.
The grip width is wider on the dm1 s, sides are mostly flat, which wasn't the best for me since it made me have to stretch my ring finger to the right more, width of the revel feels perfect however since the sides of the revel slope inwards, revel feels really close to the kana in shape while the dm1 is bigger (so get the dm1 if you like the sensei shape or bigger mice in general).
Also the back sides curve of the dm1 is more pronounced on the dm1 (like the sensei) while the revel has a straighter curve. (I'm taking about the curve that's on both sides, which makes the mouse fatter at the back and thinner at the front)
Btw, I asked some family members to close their eyes and tell me which they felt was smaller and they all said the revel was noticably less wide and had a lower hump.
side buttons are more towards the back on the revel, which makes hitting mouse 4/5 really easy, on the dm1 I have to move my thumb to reach mouse5, m4 is easy to reach though.
scroll has more pronounced steps on the revel and feels great ingame and out, never had any problems bhopping with it, and it never missed a step on me, feels really good (same with the dm1 but that one doesn't stop on each step like the revel does).
m3 is a bit harder to click on the revel, but it's alright on both of them (i use it for ptt without issue)
btw just wanted to say screw zowie and their trash mouse wheels, revel's steps aren't as harsh as the zowie ones.
feet that came with dm1 are perfect out of the box, while the ones on the revel were scratching a bit when pushing it down hard, so i used my finger nail to go around the edges and push them all down hard and now only the center part of the feet touches the mousepad, so they don't scratch at all.
cable is usable on both (unlike the gpro's which is 100% unusable for me), but i really like the da13's cable since it feels light, it's thinner than all other braided cables i've seen, and can be kept off the mousepad very easily with my razer bungee ziptied above a 3.5" harddisk.
so i have a couple of da13 cables that i put in all my main mice.
only things I'd change about the revel would be:
reduce the weight a bit (♥70g, going to look for a way to lower the weight later, but it's great as is) (already removed the back lighting plastic piece and the dpi button since i never change dpi off 400, and if you misclick it you have to go through 11 dpi steps to get back to your original dpi.
also i woulduse standard sized mousefeet (isn't a big deal since ms3.0 feet fit fine)
I actually had to open my dm1 pro s and cut a bit of the button shell on both lmb/rmb.
my lmb was getting fully stuck everytime i sprayed in csgo, but after fixing the shell the buttons were both perfect.
The lmb/rmb feel different on all the mice i have with omron 7N 20million clicks.. but that's how it is with factories producing millions of micro switches.. that's why I ordered 25 pieces off ebay and I'll solder two that feel similar/better on the revel, although the clicks that came with the mouse are alright as is, maybe I'll find 2 that feel better not sure.
(lmb and rmb on my Logitech gpro and da chroma/13 are all different and they use the same switch as the revel)
(wrote this at 4am on my phone, sorry about any writing errors)
also sorry for the wall of text i have a quiz tomorrow and I'm doing my best not to study..