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Looks sexy. Can't wait to try it out in best buy or something
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

Mechanical is just the way the switch is actuated. Most chiclet keyboards have been capacitive so far, no reason they couldn't be mechanical.

Chiclet is just a formfactor.

Putting capacitive keyboards aside... the rest of the keybards are all mechanically actuated. IE you have to push or press something for it to register. In that context... yes, chiclet keyboards are mechanical.

But once we refer to mechanical switches as those that have a spring or some mechanically actuated mechanism... then no, chiclet can't be in that description. Which is why, precisely, Topre capacitive switches have been considered to be mixed... because they are ruber dome but have a spring in them.

If you want a low-profile mech switch you have to go to scissor-switches. And they are mixed because they have a dome in the middle.

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Originally Posted by Cyph3r View Post

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So you're saying Razer are lying and their ultra low profile mechanical keyboard is just a rubber dome keyboard?.... Right.....

What he is saying is that a mechanical switch can't be a chiclet mechanism. And Razer is well known for lying once and again so... it wouldn't be something new.
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Can you cite some legal definition of "mechanical keyboard switch"?

No. Razer can call any switch anything they want, all they need to do is trick iPad Pro users into throwing their money away.

The only spec that I can find from Razer is "70g", and the techfrag article lists "total travel distance of 1.6mm with an actuation point of 0.9mm and reset point at 0.6mm."
That could still describe the behavior of a rubber dome, it pops up and down at different points, and still has some give after bottoming out.

There is quite a solid understanding in the community of what counts as a "mechanical" switch, and rubber dome boards absolutely do not fall in that category. Razer are not dumb enough to market a rubber dome keyboard as a mechanical board.

http://www.razerzone.com/press/detail/press-releases/razer-releases-worlds-first-ultra-low-profile-mechanical-keyboard-switch

It looks like it uses a scissor key mechanism which actuates a mech switch.

Look I hate Razer, but you're just blindly claiming that Razer are falsely advertising their product which is just as ignorant as what you're claiming Razer are doing themselves.

If someone gets their hands on it and takes it apart and proves it's rubber dome, hey that's great. I don't like Razer at all so I'd get a good chuckle out of it. But it's just ridiculous to make any claims when you don't even know yourself.
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Razer hate is getting out of hand. Just because something is popular you don't have to hate on it. It's like Apple hate. Dumb.
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So these key switches are pretty much the same as the new macbook's keyswitches?
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post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post

Capacitive? No, rubber dome.
Otherwise all those Chiclet keyboards should be reporting the same durability as a Topre.

If Razer were using capacitive switches they would be reporting 30 million+ actuation durability, this thing doesn't even come with a durability spec.
it's rubber dome.
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Originally Posted by prava View Post

Putting capacitive keyboards aside... the rest of the keybards are all mechanically actuated. IE you have to push or press something for it to register. In that context... yes, chiclet keyboards are mechanical.

But once we refer to mechanical switches as those that have a spring or some mechanically actuated mechanism... then no, chiclet can't be in that description. Which is why, precisely, Topre capacitive switches have been considered to be mixed... because they are ruber dome but have a spring in them.

If you want a low-profile mech switch you have to go to scissor-switches. And they are mixed because they have a dome in the middle.

Please ignore my previous post, wasn't "in the best state" for posting which resulted in a serious case of "talking out of the behind".
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Quote:
Originally Posted by prava View Post

How can they call them mechanical if they are chiclet based?

...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclet_keyboard#Design
The underlying technology used by such keyboards varies considerably.
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post #18 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyph3r View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post

Can you cite some legal definition of "mechanical keyboard switch"?

No. Razer can call any switch anything they want, all they need to do is trick iPad Pro users into throwing their money away.

The only spec that I can find from Razer is "70g", and the techfrag article lists "total travel distance of 1.6mm with an actuation point of 0.9mm and reset point at 0.6mm."
That could still describe the behavior of a rubber dome, it pops up and down at different points, and still has some give after bottoming out.

There is quite a solid understanding in the community of what counts as a "mechanical" switch, and rubber dome boards absolutely do not fall in that category. Razer are not dumb enough to market a rubber dome keyboard as a mechanical board.

http://www.razerzone.com/press/detail/press-releases/razer-releases-worlds-first-ultra-low-profile-mechanical-keyboard-switch

It looks like it uses a scissor key mechanism which actuates a mech switch.

Look I hate Razer, but you're just blindly claiming that Razer are falsely advertising their product which is just as ignorant as what you're claiming Razer are doing themselves.

If someone gets their hands on it and takes it apart and proves it's rubber dome, hey that's great. I don't like Razer at all so I'd get a good chuckle out of it. But it's just ridiculous to make any claims when you don't even know yourself.

Ok, this line of text from your link is the first thing I've read that isn't so nondescript as to make me think they're just trying to upsell blind iPad users.
Quote:
Each Razer Ultra-Low-Profile Mechanical switch features a true actuation and reset point.

But the fact remains the only thing they've actually shown us is a chiclet with a green dot in the middle.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post


Capacitive? No, rubber dome.
Otherwise all those Chiclet keyboards should be reporting the same durability as a Topre.

If Razer were using capacitive switches they would be reporting 30 million+ actuation durability, this thing doesn't even come with a durability spec.
it's rubber dome.


Actually capacitive switch like Topre have rubber dome in it. The dome is in fact what create the tactile feel in Topre switch.

 

The point of mechanical switches is they use springs (in different kinds) to have the feedback. Which is what makes them more ergonomic compared to cheap rubberdome/membrane ****

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Originally Posted by bazh View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post

Capacitive? No, rubber dome.

Otherwise all those Chiclet keyboards should be reporting the same durability as a Topre.


If Razer were using capacitive switches they would be reporting 30 million+ actuation durability, this thing doesn't even come with a durability spec.

it's rubber dome.


Actually capacitive switch like Topre have rubber dome in it. The dome is in fact what create the tactile feel in Topre switch.

The point of mechanical switches is they use springs (in different kinds) to have the feedback. Which is what makes them more ergonomic compared to cheap rubberdome/membrane ****

A perfect example of how vague the terminology we're dealing with really is.

What makes mechanical keyboards better is the reliability of the mechanism and the actuation point halfway down the keystroke, you can still type reliably with a light touch, where the traditional contact pads on rubber domes require you to smash every key all the way to the bottom, and they become unreliable relatively quickly.
Tactile feedback is nice (for typing, blues can prevent rapid double taps, and I just think feedback on browns is unnecessary), but really just a side benefit of the mechanism.
It would be really great if Topre could be made without the rubber dome. I think a pure linear keystroke is better for gaming, but the a capacitive switch is theoretically the most durable type of actuation mechanism possible.
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