Originally Posted by boxman222
Originally Posted by kaosstar
A benchmark needs to be a level playing field. A game does not have the same constraints.
A level playing field would be to run the stripped down nvidia implementation on nvidia cards while amd cards run the one with all the bells and whistles.
It would even be more fair to just run the AMD one for both cards, as in this case it is NVIDIA that did not implement proper support into their cards.
As someone else pointed out.. Would it have been okay to you if they had run a gimped version of the DX11 benchmarks because of the poor AMD support to make it a "level" playing field??
Why change things up now all of the sudden??
a level playing field would be NVidia being able to flex all of its muscle like it is currently able to while AMD cards are also allowed to flex their muscle too.
But with the current implementation of Time Spy the power lifter wearing the red shirt has to lift the weight bar with one hand tied behind his back in the name of "fairness"
As I stayed in my earlier post. With Dx11 benches such as Heaven back when DX 11was the hot new thing. All cards like Cypress and Fermi could use 100% of their potential. Everyone new that AMD was weaker on Tesselation. But it was a relatively level playing field with Dx11 cards being stressed pretty much to their potential.
Here we have time spy that only runs feature level 11. But it's a DX12 bench. How is it a DX12 bench when it features the bare minimum and less advanced features of DX 12 that can even be run on newer Dx11 hardware? How is that a showcase of DX12? When you want to showcase something, you want to show off the absolute best of its abilities and features. You don't wanna show a dumbed down version. Well not unless your Futuremark clearly.
Of course because Pascal and Maxwell don't have as great DX12 support of GCN as it stands, both architectures get to work to their potential.
But GCN which has a superior async design suddenly can't be used to its full potential. Because "Oh we really don't see the market going that way." yet the market is already there with the latest Vulcan and DX12 patches.
So now you call it a level playing field at the Olympics when the Power lifter wearing red can only use 1 arm?
During the Evergreen vs. Fermi days, Fermi had more Tesselation units than their Evergreen parts. So Fermi was better at Tesselation. But that's obviously ok. Cause the one team had a better design in that aspect. So fair I say.
Now team red has the more advanced design with a superior engine. And everyone is loosing their minds, 3D Mark gimping benches and all the green fans going "Oh no you can't make my nVidia look bad. I just spent a grand on it. No the bench is fair you can't change it."
It's attitudes like this that stifle development in the market. Because all y'all are willing to settle for second best because they have the money and the shares. But heck seems most people don't seem to care that they stifle innovation, lie blatantly on adverts and to their customers. Pay off developers.(pretty sure thats happened here with FM and Time Spy) Break their own drivers so that paying customer (like myself) couldn't use their old cards, that they had bought and paid for with money, as dedicated PPU's in machines that had an ATi/AMD card as its primary display adapter.
But everyone seems to think the sun shines out of Jen-Hsun Huang's rear. And when he goes to the toilet, gold nuggets come out. Yet in reality it's just another dump.Edited by Alastair - 7/21/16 at 11:41am