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I guess the way I see it, would it be really be a "benchmark" if they coded a unique path for each gpu? Think about that for a second. How do you compare across AMD/Nvidia gpu's if they each have a unique path that they run? You really couldn't because the settings wouldn't be the same. The best we could hope for would be to compare to the same gpus across different systems. Basically I would only be able to compare my results against a 1070's since I would know I would beat anything 1060 and below and I couldn't really compete with anything 1080 and above. Maxwell or older gpus would be a wash and could only be compared to each other as well. And there would be no reason to compare against AMD cards since they run a different feature set all together.

I think that argument is kind of disingenuous and really serves AMD short shrift for having developed GCN with these features in mind from the beginning. So, because they want to keep things fair, they simply do not implement features that AMD supports that Nvidia doesn't? That would seem to punish AMD for being forward-thinking and having designed hardware to be compatible while rewarding Nvidia for basically ignoring these features, no? I still don't understand why the features can't be included in the bench without rendering it completely unusable to other hardware? Would proper Async implementation in the bench not allow Nvidia cards to physically run it at all?
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I think that argument is kind of disingenuous and really serves AMD short shrift for having developed GCN with these features in mind from the beginning. So, because they want to keep things fair, they simply do not implement features that AMD supports that Nvidia doesn't? That would seem to punish AMD for being forward-thinking and having designed hardware to be compatible while rewarding Nvidia for basically ignoring these features, no? I still don't understand why the features can't be included in the bench without rendering it completely unusable to other hardware? Would proper Async implementation in the bench not allow Nvidia cards to physically run it at all?

That is the question but we already have our answer. All you have to do is look at how the tech press is using openGL scores to rank GFX cards in Doom when doing reviews. The funny thing is Nvidia cards when run on Vulcan actual have better than their openGL run scores? Now why is it that the tech press would ignore any bench test of any game that shows better performace all around? Hmmm...might it be because AMDs GCN is fully utilized and instead of a 20% loss to NV they have a 20% lead?
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I think we should all just conclude that while timespy does make use of the DX12 API, it's not the benchmark that defines absolute DX12 performance. Is AOTS or ROTR a better showcase of absolute DX12 performance? These are the kind of questions I would like to see well accomplished review sites with talented personnel answer e.g Anandtech, pcper.

So far, the focus has been on hardware and driver optimization from the vendor side of things but what about game engine performance in regards to optimizations for various differing architectures? For example, I hear UE4 has gameworks baked into it's core which sucks for AMD users but AMD has been able to get decent performance out of witcher 3/Batman arkham knight which are gameworks titles. On the other hand, you have project cars which still runs substantially worse on AMD hardware till date.

We need review sites to step in and dig deep to find out all these info. I certainly look forward to it.
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That is the question but we already have our answer. All you have to do is look at how the tech press is using openGL scores to rank GFX cards in Doom when doing reviews. The funny thing is Nvidia cards when run on Vulcan actual have better than their openGL run scores? Now why is it that the tech press would ignore any bench test of any game that shows better performace all around? Hmmm...might it be because AMDs GCN is fully utilized and instead of a 20% loss to NV they have a 20% lead?
Some claim that vulkan doesn't work with FCAT yet so they can't go into more detail about how the frametimes stack up.
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Some claim that vulkan doesn't work with FCAT yet so they can't go into more detail about the frametimes stack up.

I can't wait to use Nvidia's own created tool FCAT to see how badly AMD gpu performance is. Good thing though Nvidia already has vulkan drivers with Asynch to take care of any hiccups. Funny though FCAT is one of the few technologies Nvidia didn't lock down like Physx,Gsynch or whatever. I guess it's because it helped them show the competitor how bad they are. /extra salt

AMD needs to rebound on this DX12 crap, I really think if they could stop tripping over their own feet for once. They might be able to compete properly. In the meantime i'm going to go buy a 1200$ gpu.
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Some claim that vulkan doesn't work with FCAT yet so they can't go into more detail about the frametimes stack up.

I can't wait to use Nvidia's own created tool FCAT to see how badly AMD gpu performance is. Good thing though Nvidia already has vulkan drivers with Asynch to take care of any hiccups. Funny though FCAT is one of the few technologies Nvidia didn't lock down like Physx,Gsynch or whatever. I guess it's because it helped them show the competitor how bad they are. /extra salt

AMD needs to rebound on this DX12 crap, I really think if they could stop tripping over their own feet for once. They might be able to compete properly. In the meantime i'm going to go buy a 1200$ gpu.
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I also sort of find it suspect that an Nvidia partner name is plastered in several places throughout the GPU tests.

Just to address the 'partner name' splashed throughout benches like this one ... most often that's because the tester is running a free copy that came bundled with a particular manufacturers card. I've seen screenies taken from 3DMark11 with at least 5 different partner's names pasted onto the boats in the first test, one of which being Sapphire which as we know is an AMD partner exclusively.

Ergo, I wouldn't read too much into the 'in-bench' advertisements you happen to see in a particular screenshot of a benchmark. Those are NOT universal labels used in every copy of the benchmark.

Lol ... just noticed you're the same person I'z talking to earlier today/yesterday. Cheers, mate.
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do you even troll? Or do you have any idea about hardware? Lol.

I think you're missing the dude's point entirely. Given the make-up of the rigs I see in your sig, I suspect you two are actually very much on the same 'side'.

Also ... blurting out accusations at others of 'trolling', w/o presenting contrary evidence, is considered 'poor form' here on OCN wink.gif
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I read dagget's post as one of sarcasm and tongue-in-cheekness about the terrible situation we have in the GPU market right now.
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Maybe I stuck with sarcasm over text. Meh oh well.
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That being said. If he was being sarcastic and tongue in cheek. Then he really IS TROLLING. How Ironic is that. lachen.gif
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