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I see, that's nice. The site is blocked here so I can't view the source. Can't really complain about 95 FPS average though.


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Whoa! I missed a ton of my posts, my bad. I could've swore I just opened this thread.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I guess I am, after all, just a 60Hz "pleb" as you say but that's just an asinine statement. 110 FPS is virtually indistinguishable from 120 FPS on a 120Hz monitor, especially with GSYNC/FreeSync. I would really LOVE to make you do a blind test between 110 and 120 FPS and see just how well you can actually distinguish the difference without an FPS counter on the screen. Oh yes, I'm sure you will say that your eyes are just so super amazing that they can detect the difference of 1 FPS at 150 Hz but I'd like to see you prove it...

Oh, come on. Did you read my responses? It's backlight strobing that allows you to see the difference. Backlight strobing without high FPS is actually kind of difficult; go to the Lightboost Hack thread. Plenty of people stopped doing it because the flicker was giving them headaches. I'm sure if people stop because of headahces, I can notice the difference between 120FPS @ 120Hz strobed vs 100FPS @ 120Hz strobed.

Standard non-strobed 120Hz? Yeah, I agree 100%. I doubt I'd notice. We're talking about something completely different. I'm not bragging about my eyes, lol, dude, hahaha. No need to get your knickers in a twist: go enable LB or ULMB if you have it. Then tell me if you can notice.

And, I was just joshing with the 60Hz pleb comment, haha. I'm running 60Hz at the moment and you know, when I don't game, I can't tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

Us plebs would rather have a 60Hz IPS UHD display than settle for a 120+Hz TN 1080P pannel such as the ASUS VG248QE that you are raving about rolleyes.gif

Sure. biggrin.gif I'm a color pleb--I admit it. I don't care about colors....nah, I just want to make sure I kill that guy in BF1, tongue.gif
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I must be the ultimate pleb than, 60Hz TN UHD. I've been happy with it near two years now.

Sure. For your use cases, I'm sure it's great. smile.gif UHD always looks pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by AmericanLoco View Post

I still have an old Sony Trinitron CRT that can do up to 120 Hz. I can notice a very slight difference between 60 Hz and 100 Hz (it's really hard to tell, but everything is just slightly smoother), but there is no noticeable difference at all between 100 Hz and 120 Hz and my eyes are generally really sensitive to lower framerates.

I'm pretty sure any percieved difference between 100, 120 and 144 is all in the mind. The eye is a chemical device, and chemical reactions can only function so fast.

Hmmm...strobing + locked FPS is just buttery heaven to me, though. I think you would notice, too. Jump between 90FPS and 120FPS on your CRT @ 120Hz. You honestly don't notice a major difference when panning a complex scene?

Go try this:

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates

No need to load up a game, but just play between the different FPS & Hz & pixel settings there. I'm 100% sure you'll notice a difference on your CRT. I'd be shocked if you thought 90FPS scrolling and 120FPS scrolling were the same on a 120Hz CRT.
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I bet he couldn't tell the difference between 90-120. I know I couldn't. 60-100 is a huge difference. 100+ not so much. Just a marketing gimmick unless you're a professional CSGO player who is so incredibly good that .000001 seconds is the difference of killing or being killed.

Mate. Hahahaha. We're not talking about normal monitors. You get that, right? ULMB or LB only. Strobing backlights. It's a huge difference, in reality:



There are many marketing gimmicks. I agree. Strobing backlights are not one of them. But unless you've seen a strobing backlight in action, I don't want to hear it, tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by boredgunner View Post

It's not really a marketing gimmick. Backlight strobing blur reduction for example pretty much has to be done at 120 Hz or more to avoid terribly annoying flicker. Also, lots of people can distinguish up to around 120 Hz/FPS. I do expect more than 144 Hz to be a gimmick though.

Yup. Thank you. Yes, I don't notice a difference between 120Hz and 144Hz. All I was trying to say: 120FPS @ 120Hz strobed vs 100FPS @ 120Hz strobed. Very different.
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Originally Posted by wolfej View Post

Flicker reduces with refresh rate. Also the backlight strobing, if anything, causes flicker instead of reducing it.

Now at 144hz with the Benq backlight strobing I am in heaven. It is the smoothest and clearest gaming experience I've ever played.

Only thing that could make it better was if they somehow figured out a way to make it work freesync/gsync. I'm not really sure if trying to increase the framerate of the monitor in multiples of the framerate given dynamically would work, though. It may just be impossible, but I'd love if someone figured out a way.

Thank you. We're not crazy people, haha. It's actually really awesome. You get the motion clarity of ~700Hz (120Hz LB @ 10%) but only the information output of 120Hz. No new information, but it feels a lot more fresh.
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With freesync on my 144hz, every drop bellow ~110hz is noticeable. Feels stuttery.

not a freesync problem. Its just how our eyes get used to 144hz.

Also true! FreeSync has the Hz = FPS effect that LB has (if you max out your FPS, that is, and cap it to your Hz). Yes. It's real, haha, guys. Give it a shot.

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ALSO, if anyone is still "confused" whether strobing or not actually makes a difference. You know what else is using strobing now? VR. Because in VR, if it's not smooth, people don't even want to try it.

http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hole-fixing-judder/

A great post about strobing backlights. They're actually pretty dope...
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can't believe the value for money these 290x have given me.
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I'm actually starting to wonder if NOT using ULMB/LB is why I don't notice the stutters as much -- the blurring might in effect "smooth out" the otherwise unsightly jankiness?
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can't believe the value for money these 290x have given me.

No doubt! Your whole build i'm sure is a few years old and still a beast.
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I'm actually starting to wonder if NOT using ULMB/LB is why I don't notice the stutters as much -- the blurring might in effect "smooth out" the otherwise unsightly jankiness?
The XB270HU isn't slow enough to hide something as obvious as stuttering behind blur.
    
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Not major stuttering but more like, microstutters I guess?

I'd test it myself if not for the fact the OSD controls on my panel died within 6 months of use. rolleyes.gif That's Acer quality for ya. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

I'd RMA the panel but I'm genuinely concerned they might just send me someone else's RMA. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
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Hmmm...strobing + locked FPS is just buttery heaven to me, though. I think you would notice, too. Jump between 90FPS and 120FPS on your CRT @ 120Hz. You honestly don't notice a major difference when panning a complex scene?

Go try this:

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates

No need to load up a game, but just play between the different FPS & Hz & pixel settings there. I'm 100% sure you'll notice a difference on your CRT. I'd be shocked if you thought 90FPS scrolling and 120FPS scrolling were the same on a 120Hz CRT.
I can notice a difference between 60 Hz and 100 Hz. 100 Hz and 120 Hz appear identical.
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I can notice a difference between 60 Hz and 100 Hz. 100 Hz and 120 Hz appear identical.

Err, 100Hz vs 120Hz: agreed, not a huge difference. I'm talking about 120FPS @ 120Hz vs 100FPS @ 120Hz. I mean, stay on 120Hz. I'm talking about your FPS dropping lower than your refresh rate during pans of a complex scene. That effect is "not so bad" on normal monitors, but on a strobed backlight, it's rough.

Maybe it's because CRTs don't flicker as much as ULMB or LB in LCDs.
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It will be soon. And it's open to everyone.
Soon™

Thanks. I had signed up for BF Insider and never got an Alpha invite, so I look forward to the open beta thumb.gif.
 
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