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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I wouldn't base any assumptions on marketing slides but let me ask you this: Do you NOT think there will be huge gains from non-reference 480's? I think that is pretty much a given considering the limitations of the reference design (and we know how much better AMD cards scale with even very small OC's). Its certainly very reasonable to assume the AIB 480's will be much better than reference...

Dunno about Forceman, but my gripe with using marketing slides is they (almost) always cherry pick the absolute best case scenario, so the gains you see are likely not very representative if averaged across say 15 games.
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Originally Posted by raghu78 View Post

Nobody is talking about 1500 Mhz 480 cards. But remember Devil 480 is more or less confirmed with 1400 Mhz stock speeds.

https://benchlife.info/powercolor-rx480-devil-will-launch-in-taiwan-07172016/

btw are you denying that Rx 480 is clock throttled in ref design and rarely gets to even 1200 Mhz consistently. The range seems to be 1150-1200 mhz according to computerbase who do some of the most professional testing on GPU reviews.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-06/radeon-rx-480-test/5/

Heh you should've seen some of the posts in the 480 review thread. I'm not denying anything, merely pointing out that hyping inevitably leads to very bad things happening. I guess it's the difference between glass half empty vs glass half full.
post #82 of 104
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

Dunno about Forceman, but my gripe with using marketing slides is they (almost) always cherry pick the absolute best case scenario, so the gains you see are likely not very representative if averaged across say 15 games.
Heh you should've seen some of the posts in the 480 review thread. I'm not denying anything, merely pointing out that hyping inevitably leads to very bad things happening. I guess it's the difference between glass half empty vs glass half full.

I agree, I personally am discounting those marketing slides. My assumptions are general and based on how poorly the reference card handles power and cooling compared to what should be a much better designed setup in the Strix (and other AIB cards). The marketing slides are not necessary for me to assume that the Strix will indeed be much better than the reference 480, especially in the all important stock benches that tech sites invariably run. A 1400MHz stock 480 that doesn't throttle (assumption I know) alone would make it a much faster card than a reference one that throttles down to 1100MHz at stock...
post #83 of 104
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I wouldn't base any assumptions on marketing slides but let me ask you this: Do you NOT think there will be huge gains from non-reference 480's? I think that is pretty much a given considering the limitations of the reference design (and we know how much better AMD cards scale with even very small OC's). Its certainly very reasonable to assume the AIB 480's will be much better than reference...

We just went through this same thing with the 1080/1070 - just wait for the massive AIB overclocking. The AIB RX 480s do not have especially high clock speeds by default (which you might assume they would if there was tons and tons of headroom there), and the general trend has been people walking back the early claims. So do I expect 1400? Probably, but 10% isn't going to be a huge game changer.
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Originally Posted by raghu78 View Post

Nobody is talking about 1500 Mhz 480 cards. But remember Devil 480 is more or less confirmed with 1400 Mhz stock speeds.

https://benchlife.info/powercolor-rx480-devil-will-launch-in-taiwan-07172016/

btw are you denying that Rx 480 is clock throttled in ref design and rarely gets to even 1200 Mhz consistently. The range seems to be 1150-1200 mhz according to computerbase who do some of the most professional testing on GPU reviews.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-06/radeon-rx-480-test/5/

It depends on how the review was done. Techpowerup's card averaged above 1200, for example. Same with Hardware Canucks.



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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I agree, I personally am discounting those marketing slides. My assumptions are general and based on how poorly the reference card handles power and cooling compared to what should be a much better designed setup in the Strix (and other AIB cards). The marketing slides are not necessary for me to assume that the Strix will indeed be much better than the reference 480, especially in the all important stock benches that tech sites invariably run. A 1400MHz stock 480 that doesn't throttle (assumption I know) alone would make it a much faster card than a reference one that throttles down to 1100MHz at stock...

Where are all these 1100 MHz reviews?
Edited by Forceman - 7/19/16 at 7:38pm
post #84 of 104
Bleh all the arguing on here by people running $1500+ GPU setups when they purchased them bickering about low/midrange next (current) gen cards gets old fast. I will be waiting for the 1080ti or 490 series equivalent. Someone dont let me down. biggrinsmiley.gif
post #85 of 104
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

We just went through this same thing with the 1080/1070 - just wait for the massive AIB overclocking. The AIB RX 480s do not have especially high clock speeds by default (which you might assume they would if there was tons and tons of headroom there), and the general trend has been people walking back the early claims. So do I expect 1400? Probably, but 10% isn't going to be a huge game changer.

See my above post. The reference 480 is a much different animal than the 1080 or 1070. It was built to make a $200 price point so it is very limited in power delivery and cooling, deficiencies the AIB cards will be able to eschew (at a cost of course). And you're right, I don't expect anywhere near the kind of headroom Pascal cards have but its been demonstrated time and again that a 10% OC for Nvidia may not be a game changer but for GCN is much more of a performance boost. My only point was that if the Strix really does have a stock 1400MHz clock and does not throttle it will absolutely be a huge increase in performance over the reference card, and I don't think its that outlandish to expect that (now OCing beyond stock is still a question mark as is price)...
post #86 of 104
So there is no real difference between FE and AIB 1060's due to boost 3.0, only temps and noise? Surely an AIB RX480 with higher clocks and better power/cooling will make these cards neck a neck in the end?
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post #87 of 104
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See my above post. The reference 480 is a much different animal than the 1080 or 1070. It was built to make a $200 price point so it is very limited in power delivery and cooling, deficiencies the AIB cards will be able to eschew (at a cost of course). And you're right, I don't expect anywhere near the kind of headroom Pascal cards have but its been demonstrated time and again that a 10% OC for Nvidia may not be a game changer but for GCN is much more of a performance boost. My only point was that if the Strix really does have a stock 1400MHz clock and does not throttle it will absolutely be a huge increase in performance over the reference card, and I don't think its that outlandish to expect that (now OCing beyond stock is still a question mark as is price)...

A 1400 MHz RX 480 would be quite a bit better than a reference card, but I still haven't seen a bunch of 1100 MHz reviews, and as far as I can tell the Strix has a 1330 MHz stock clock? So it is ~5% faster than a non-throttling reference RX 480 (or 10% if you assume 1200 MHz for the reference card).
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The GPU (grahics processing unit) comes factory-overclocked to 1330MHz in OC mode with headroom for further tweaking (1310MHz boost clock in gaming mode)

http://videocardz.com/62392/asus-shows-off-radeon-rx-480-strix-and-rx-480-dual

I just see this "AIB cards are going to be 20% faster" marketing ending in tears and recriminations. But I guess we'll find out in August (which is a long time to wait for AIB cards).
Edited by Forceman - 7/19/16 at 8:00pm
post #88 of 104
I'm still trying to wrap my head around 5% OC = 19% faster.

lolwut doesn't even begin to describe how I feel.
post #89 of 104
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

I'm still trying to wrap my head around 5% OC = 19% faster.

lolwut doesn't even begin to describe how I feel.
Because 2 things -
1) it's not 5% oc but actually more once you factor in that reference card is throttling.
2) memory oc.

just look at their reference card score, it's lower than what most reviews show.
post #90 of 104
The rx480 and 1060 at their 240 and 250 price range are very well matched cards. You can make an argument for both cards. The rx 480, 4gb is the better value but the early limited 4gb variants are likely to be the best variant. This is because later released version are only required to have 1750mhz memory and the later variants are likely unlockable. The rx480 4gb was a rush job and they just took the 8gb variants and put on a different bios on them. Because this isn't a cost saving measure and adds a little bit of costs for AMD, these editions are limited editions. So as a result beside the initial launch allocation and maybe a few after, most won't come with an unlockable 4gb and won't have 2000mhz memory. As a result and until the 4gb rx 480 are readily available, we should not compare the rx 480 200 dollar edition as the comparison point for performance per dollar. It's the same as using the 379 and 599 pricing of the 10xx series as the official price.

Back to the cards, although the 1060 has a 10% lead in directx 11 games, the 20-30 percent lead of the rx460 may make it more future proof depending on developers and how much Nvidia shapes programming.This makes an argument for the purchase of both cards objectively possible. However team red people cannot just say AMD cards get faster over time tell people to buy it based on this, there are concessions these team red people have to make. Improvements in performance are not guaranteed and boast game performance get better over time is to concede day 1, nvidia cards usually get better performance in most titles.

AIB cards are likely to perform very similarly, with the 1060 using less power. How Nvidia cocked up this launch was the removal of the SLI connector. That alone would be enough to make me not get the card, but them following through on stupid founders edition on a mainstream card is idiotic and anticonsumer. As I have mentioned, founders edition only serves to drive up pricing of AIB cards and cheapen the quality of cards that are actually 249.

One thing team red people have to admit is the 1060 actually delivers on the promise and hype(lack of in the first place) reported for the card. That being a card that is actually as fast as a 980 with a power consumption close to what was specified.

None of this 1070 or fury X performance at 120 watts stuff that people were dreaming for the rx480. And due to this, anyone calling the 1060 a fail must call the rx480 a fail on a higher level. Meeting expectations is all people can expect from a card.

Both cards are valid options and one could make a compelling argument to purchase either card.
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