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Originally Posted by EightDee8D View Post

Because 2 things -
1) it's not 5% oc but actually more once you factor in that reference card is throttling.
2) memory oc.

just look at their reference card score, it's lower than what most reviews show.

You're right, and if I was a discerning buyer, I'd be very suspect of Asus right now:


index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=23054&admin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1

(from Guru3D)

Somehow, the reference RX 480 in Asus's hands magically lost 11.8% performance. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

If we ignore whatever deception marketing trick Asus pulled (out of their ass), then the 480 Strix is really only 2.9% faster than the reference in FSE.

So as Forceman said, the whole "AIB 480s will be 20% faster" will almost certainly end in tears and resentment.
post #92 of 104
Where is this 5% OC number coming from??? If we accept that reference 480's throttle to 1200MHz and an AIB card comes out with a 1400MHz boost clock (that does not throttle) that is a 16% OC, not 5%. And a 16% OC on GCN is going to yield more actual performance increase than an equal OC percentage from Pascal. That is just a fact. I still find it much more "lolwut-ish" that you guys don't seem to think there will be any increase in performance from non-reference 480's at all... rolleyes.gif
post #93 of 104
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Originally Posted by DrFPS View Post

What benchmarks are you looking at? AMD is being crushed. They are so far behind they will never catch up. AMD is not leading in any benchmarks dx11 or dx12. I figure AMD will be open maybe another year.


The first AMD is 21 places down. That is bad. Most DX12 benchmarks are won by, Nvidia of course. LOL People will say anything on this forum.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1606006/3dmark-time-spy-benchmark-top-30

Now we are using Time Spy as a legitimate benchmark? rolleyes.gif
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post #94 of 104
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Where is this 5% OC number coming from??? If we accept that reference 480's throttle to 1200MHz and an AIB card comes out with a 1400MHz boost clock (that does not throttle) that is a 16% OC, not 5%. And a 16% OC on GCN is going to yield more actual performance increase than an equal OC percentage from Pascal. That is just a fact. I still find it much more "lolwut-ish" that you guys don't seem to think there will be any increase in performance from non-reference 480's at all... rolleyes.gif

1330 MHz boost clock on Asus 480 Strix, which is 5% over 1266. Even if we use 1200 as the baseline that's still a 10.8% OC. The 19% comes from Asus's own slide:

ASUS-RX-480-STRIX-2.jpg

You simply don't get 19% increase in performance for a 10.8% OC, unless you intentionally screwed with the reference card, which it seems like Asus did.
post #95 of 104
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

1330 MHz boost clock on Asus 480 Strix, which is 5% over 1266. Even if we use 1200 as the baseline that's still a 10.8% OC. The 19% comes from Asus's own slide:

ASUS-RX-480-STRIX-2.jpg

You simply don't get 19% increase in performance for a 10.8% OC, unless you intentionally screwed with the reference card, which it seems like Asus did.

If OCing was always simply 1:1 ratio of performance to MHz then Pascal cards would be getting a hell of a lot more performance out of their 2000+MHz clocks...
post #96 of 104
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

1330 MHz boost clock on Asus 480 Strix, which is 5% over 1266. Even if we use 1200 as the baseline that's still a 10.8% OC. The 19% comes from Asus's own slide:

ASUS-RX-480-STRIX-2.jpg

You simply don't get 19% increase in performance for a 10.8% OC, unless you intentionally screwed with the reference card, which it seems like Asus did.

Looking at the performance, what Asus likely did was downclock the card to base clock and use that as the baseline speed for the card. I.e 1120mhz.

If the asus card is clocked at 1331mhz, this would result in a frequency difference of 18.1%. This is likely what they did in the name of marketing.
post #97 of 104
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

You simply don't get 19% increase in performance for a 10.8% OC, unless you intentionally screwed with the reference card, which it seems like Asus did.

We already know that simply lowering the voltage can net 5-8% extra performance compared to stock settings on reference cards...
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If OCing was always simply 1:1 ratio of performance to MHz then Pascal cards would be getting a hell of a lot more performance out of their 2000+MHz clocks...

I think you have the numbers mixed up.

Asus is claiming a 19% performance increase for a 5% OC (or 10.8% OC if we use 1200 as the baseline). That simply just isn't possible, unless of course the reference card was underclocked, while the AIB card was overclocked to its breaking limit.

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Originally Posted by Slomo4shO View Post

We already know that simply lowering the stock voltage can net 5-8% extra performance compared to stock settings on reference cards...

That's because it helps the card not constantly bounce against the power limit right? Either way, I'd be a lot more charitable about this if not for the following:
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You're right, and if I was a discerning buyer, I'd be very suspect of Asus right now:


index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=23054&admin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1

(from Guru3D)

Somehow, the reference RX 480 in Asus's hands magically lost 11.8% performance. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

If we ignore whatever deception marketing trick Asus pulled (out of their ass), then the 480 Strix is really only 2.9% faster than the reference in FSE.

So as Forceman said, the whole "AIB 480s will be 20% faster" will almost certainly end in tears and resentment.

Lastly...
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Looking at the performance, what Asus likely did was downclock the card to base clock and use that as the baseline speed for the card. I.e 1120mhz.

If the asus card is clocked at 1331mhz, this would result in a frequency difference of 18.1%. This is likely what they did in the name of marketing.

Given what I pointed out above, yeah you're probably right. 1330 is a 18.8% OC over 1120, and we know that RX 480 does scale pretty much 1:1 if you OC the memory as well.
Edited by magnek - 7/19/16 at 8:20pm
post #99 of 104
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That's because it helps the card not constantly bounce against the power limit right?

With a grain of salt:


I have no idea where that 4888 reference Firestrike score come from. Average was around 5250 from the reviews from my recollection.
Edited by Slomo4shO - 7/19/16 at 8:25pm
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Right, so it does seem to be linked to the power limit.

But dammit guy, I'm an impatient bugger with a hopelessly short attention span. This would've been much more effective: http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-undervolting-performance_183699

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