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AMD needs better IPC to appeal to gamers.

It's not about not caring about core count it's about pointing out that you can have a million cores and it's not going to matter to any of OCN's demographic if it can't keep up with modern graphics cards in all games not just some.

That said the rumored 8 core 16 thread chip with Haswell like IPC clocked at 3.2ghz turbo sounds like a real winner if it's real. Price it competitively and you've brought Intel "enthusiast" performance to the masses. Or at least near enthusiast performance.


I really hope it's true.
    
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95w TDP for octo cores and 5w idle states sounds pretty good to me. If TDP is reasonable, maybe the architecture is competitive.
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Then why aren't you using Skylake if single thread is all you care about? Get the fastest clocked Skylake, disable as many cores as you can and clock it to the heavens and enjoy your single core uber clock.

wow, why the hostility lol. AMD needs better IPC to better position themselves on CPU market.

The time of single core performance is over. If you look at the latest games you will see that AMD's awful FX architecture matches and competes with Intel's far more expensive i7's because of their cores. Some games still suffer from developer laziness but a lot of newer games are coded to use up to eight threads. It's years late but finally FX' shine.

 

I am not saying the BD uArch is a success, it's a failure of both hardware and software as developers are just lazy and have refused to properly thread their software. Saying that, I do hope that Zen can at least match IB or even Haswell's IPS (IPC in itself is meaningless) so that we get advancement in CPU architecture. We've been stuck in this paradigm for too long and it's time we shifted.

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I'll be interested to see if / how much the clocks change with a retail sample. If the 8 core can compete with at least Intel's 6 core, is around $400 - $600 AUD and you can overclock the nuts off it AMD will get my money biggrin.gif.

Do we know how many PCIe lanes these are gonna have?
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32cores sounds a lot, i wanna know how big of a die it is.



AMD doesn't really need a cutting edge IPC increase, just above sandy bridge will be fine.
what would be appealing however is superb core scaling at a superb price.

imagine if you could get a perfectly designed 8core/16thread sandy-bridge class processor for $300 or cheaper.
even if its slower than intel's latest, the cost efficiency is enough to make most heavy-workload users want to have one.
just remember, quite a bit of users still has gulftown or SB-E processors running on their rigs, some even buy them 2nd-hand for their raw multi-core performance.
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32cores sounds a lot, i wanna know how big of a die it is.



AMD doesn't really need a cutting edge IPC increase, just above sandy bridge will be fine.
what would be appealing however is superb core scaling at a superb price.

imagine if you could get a perfectly designed 8core/16thread sandy-bridge class processor for $300 or cheaper.
even if its slower than intel's latest, the cost efficiency is enough to make most heavy-workload users want to have one.

Especially if power consumption is kept low. These chips would be perfect in database servers.

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The time of single core performance is over. If you look at the latest games you will see that AMD's awful FX architecture matches and competes with Intel's far more expensive i7's because of their cores. Some games still suffer from developer laziness but a lot of newer games are coded to use up to eight threads. It's years late but finally FX' shine.

I am not saying the BD uArch is a success, it's a failure of both hardware and software as developers are just lazy and have refused to properly thread their software. Saying that, I do hope that Zen can at least match IB or even Haswell's IPS (IPC in itself is meaningless) so that we get advancement in CPU architecture. We've been stuck in this paradigm for too long and it's time we shifted.

How does this nonsense still get bandied about here? FX doesn't shine in anything and games will always rely on a primary thread. It's due to their nature you're not encoding a video. Not getting beaten horribly isn't a win.

I'm as excited for good AMD chips as the next guy but let's be realistic about their current state and what we can expect in the future. They need significantly stronger single threaded performance to be a viable gaming alternative to Intel. Period. No amount of fairy dust or "hard-working" developers is going to change that. Frankly the lazy devs throwaway line is offensive considering it's an industry where workers are often forced into 80 hour work weeks for months on end to keep you happy. Considering the hours, burn rate and pay the only people getting into that kind of work are those that are passionate about it in the first place.
    
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32cores sounds a lot, i wanna know how big of a die it is.



AMD doesn't really need a cutting edge IPC increase, just above sandy bridge will be fine.
what would be appealing however is superb core scaling at a superb price.

imagine if you could get a perfectly designed 8core/16thread sandy-bridge class processor for $300 or cheaper.
even if its slower than intel's latest, the cost efficiency is enough to make most heavy-workload users want to have one.
just remember, quite a bit of users still has gulftown or SB-E processors running on their rigs, some even buy them 2nd-hand for their raw multi-core performance.
nope nope nope. If it is sandy bridge IPC, that 8 core will need to sell at $200.
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How does this nonsense still get bandied about here? FX doesn't shine in anything and games will always rely on a primary thread. It's due to their nature you're not encoding a video. Not getting beaten horribly isn't a win.

I'm as excited for good AMD chips as the next guy but let's be realistic about their current state and what we can expect in the future. They need significantly stronger single threaded performance to be a viable gaming alternative to Intel. Period. No amount of fairy dust or "hard-working" developers is going to change that. Frankly the lazy devs throwaway line is offensive considering it's an industry where workers are often forced into 80 hour work weeks for months on end to keep you happy. Considering the hours, burn rate and pay the only people getting into that kind of work are those that are passionate about it in the first place.

 

FWIW, my FX-8370 and my 6700k are essentially indistinguishable without measuring whilst gaming in UHD. Even then, it's been demonstrated before that at 1440p the FX disadvantage is much smaller and at 2160p it's not worth mentioning. That doesn't mean that I'm recommending an older platform, it's just a fallacy to assume that you need Intel's single-thread performance advantage at all times in every gaming scenario.

 

I'd say that for my purposes, the FX series does shine in performance/£ whilst waiting for Zen and Skylake-e as viable replacements for my various systems.

     
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A click bait based on a random rumor from a new forum user (at Anandtech). Also the rumor includes at least some of the users own interpretations and expectations.

...and how is that different than 90% of the content on overclock?

Everybody who uses English to write with adds in speculation and interpretation. What I did was verify that the ES were being tested then found a fairly reliable link that wasn't a "motherless street walking website of the night" to post it here. Posting said title without any kind of link would just get nay-sayers and footstompy harrumphers in here trying to diss because there wasn't a link.

Anyway, we know the release date range of the APU's which aren't in ES yet and AMD has mentioned we'd see the 'FX' Zen's by Q3/Q4. So I'd say AMD is taking their play unbelievably seriously and has got a real winner of a lithography from a production reliability standpoint. We know it's 14nm and as dense as Polaris, plausibly more efficient on a transistor scale than Polaris. Considering the GPU clocks at 14nm the CPU clocks aren't at all unreasonable. What remains to be seen is whether the 4/8 is simply a damaged/bad print 8/16 and plausibly un-lockable and whether the gimped cluster will run at all.

But hey, I saw newsty and I posted it. That's the point of a forum like this!
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