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Guys, there were no 086 chips in the 90's. There were IA16 AND IA32 but the x86 command set was left behind and had to rely on translation libraries (what's now called HAL in Windows) to operate on computers. All 64bit stuff except the Itanium is AM64 which does not native support IA16/IA32 at all. That's why we've got programs like "Dosbox" and "4dos" out there.

Even Skylake (and almost certainly Kaby Lake and beyond) can still run native x86 code in legacy mode. I can boot from floppies made in the 1980s on the newest systems I own.

In long mode x86-64 CPUs can't run 16-bit real-mode code, but in legacy mode they can, as can any IA32 part.
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If you're not taking advantage of the Quadro exclusive features, then it's not really offering any benefit over a GeForce part is it? My stance on that hasn't changed. Yes a professional could take advantage of an unlocked Quadro which I never disputed, but even an enthusiast gamer would be wasting money buying a Quadro when they could put that money towards a second card and doing a platform upgrade.

Btw you realize how specialized a Quadro's professional advantages are right? In fact it used to be that you could soft mod a GeForce to Quadro, and while the mod wasn't perfect, it had enough of an effect that nVidia decided to lock the GeForce parts at the hardware level. And that's when hard mods started popping up as well. Granted none of the GeFore parts have ECC memory like some of the Quadro cards do, but it just goes to show the whole Quadro/GeForce segmentation is largely artificial in order to protect their margins.

Again, the benefit is that by supporting Quadro SLi on a homebuilt system, the card can be used as a professional card when a professional card is required and still game using SLi when desired. This way, one doesn't have to purchase a separate gaming system and professional workstation.
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Right, but by your own standards the new Titan X would still be a weaker and crappier part. We also didn't know Intel had any firm public plans on releasing the 6950X until maybe about a month before release (yes we had rumors long before that, but they were just that, rumors).

You weren't aware, nor was there definitive public knowledge. This does NOT mean that there weren't people in the know. I knew it was coming. Also, when you look at the parts being produced on the Xeon side, it's not hard to be an advocate to see more of those parts on the consumer side or to have them unlocked.
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Like I said, that would only be the case if those "some people" are prominent figures, have great clout or present really good PR value to Intel. Again, do you really think Intel would alter their product stack because of a handful of vocal computer enthusiasts who are otherwise unknown to the world?

When the "vocal enthusiasts" communicate their feedback in a thoughtful and insightful way to the right people in Intel, it's often considered, regardless of the person's "standing". You questioned whether "Intel would alter their product stack because of a handful of vocal computer enthusiasts"? The answer is yes....the proof is the i7-6950X. They actually really didn't change much...just added a SKU to the top of the stack to see how well such a chip would sell. Everything else in the SKU stack is largely unchanged.
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Because locking down the top SKU allows Intel full control over just how much performance it wants to hand out for the future chip. I mean really, can you think of a non-business related reason why they'd not unlock the top SKU?

Sure, but even if the top chips were unlocked, people would still upgrade to future chips. With Socket 3647 supporting high power chips, I think we'll see some higher TDP (aka pre-overclocked) chips hit the market. Either unlocked or uprated TDP, I don't care how they get there. All I want is Intel's best running at it's full potential....wink.gif
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Again, the benefit is that by supporting Quadro SLi on a homebuilt system, the card can be used as a professional card when a professional card is required and still game using SLi when desired. This way, one doesn't have to purchase a separate gaming system and professional workstation.

Ugh, my point is (and always has been) that said benefit will only be reaped if you take advantage of the professional features (which btw are extremely limited in scope, so even when it comes to "professionals" only a small subset will benefit). If you're a professional that can take advantage of Quadro features, great; if not, you're just wasting money, period. I hope that's the last I have to say about this.
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You weren't aware, nor was there definitive public knowledge. This does NOT mean that there weren't people in the know. I knew it was coming. Also, when you look at the parts being produced on the Xeon side, it's not hard to be an advocate to see more of those parts on the consumer side or to have them unlocked.

You said "firm public plans". A select handful of individuals with industry connections knowing about the 6950X doesn't change what I said.
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When the "vocal enthusiasts" communicate their feedback in a thoughtful and insightful way to the right people in Intel, it's often considered, regardless of the person's "standing". You questioned whether "Intel would alter their product stack because of a handful of vocal computer enthusiasts"? The answer is yes....the proof is the i7-6950X. They actually really didn't change much...just added a SKU to the top of the stack to see how well such a chip would sell. Everything else in the SKU stack is largely unchanged.

Well let me just say this: if you (and others in the same boat) can convince Intel to unlock the top Xeon SKU, then I'll take your word for it. wink.gif For now my stance remains unchanged.
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Sure, but even if the top chips were unlocked, people would still upgrade to future chips. With Socket 3647 supporting high power chips, I think we'll see some higher TDP (aka pre-overclocked) chips hit the market. Either unlocked or uprated TDP, I don't care how they get there. All I want is Intel's best running at it's full potential....wink.gif

So, why don't you tell me why you think Intel doesn't unlock the top Xeon chip? Preferably a non-business related reason as well.
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Cyrix chips had higher IPC than anything Intel and AMD could muster. In fact the IPC of the Cyrix 333 was so superior it was competing with the P3/K6 400 and 450 so why didn't it become the defacto standard? Because it couldn't clock high enough. By the time Intel and AMD had reached speeds of 500MHz Cyrix had been left behind and they couldn't create an architecture that could clock high enough to compete.
Another reason was because the Cyrix chips had a dreadful FPU. They were total garbage for gaming.

When Cyrix designed their 6x86/MII processor, they completely focused on optimizations for the 16/32-bit hybrid design of Windows 9x, and on integer performance. Those processors literally were outfitted with an 387-class FPU--its design was based on the old Cyrix FasMath 387 co-pro that was a killer upgrade back in the heyday of the 386. All Cyrix did was integrate it into their 5x86 and 6x86 processors, and the only way that it was faster than a FasMath from 1991 was that it was clocked much higher.

Good heavens, those things were awful for gaming. They were a great deal for someone who just wanted to get on the Internet, or for use in a business setting, but try to play Quake II on one and enjoy the slideshow.

If you wanted to game on a budget, you were much better off with a K6-2. It was a good ways off Intel in FPU performance, but it was good enough to play on. On a Cyrix, you could forget it. In fact, I upgraded several Cyrixes to K6-2 and K6-III in the last days of Super 7.
     
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You said "firm public plans". A select handful of individuals with industry connections knowing about the 6950X doesn't change what I said.

Again, given the Xeon parts being produced, it's easy to advocate for those to be unlocked or made into consumer equivalents. The Xeons demonstrate well what Intel's capable of and to advocate for those chips to have clock speed limitations removed is a no brainer and doesn't require any connections or inside knowledge.
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Well let me just say this: if you (and others in the same boat) can convince Intel to unlock the top Xeon SKU, then I'll take your word for it. wink.gif For now my stance remains unchanged.
So, why don't you tell me why you think Intel doesn't unlock the top Xeon chip? Preferably a non-business related reason as well.

Intel is doubtlessly looking with more interest at higher end unlocked parts now given the fact that the i7-6950X is selling well. Intel doesn't want to unlock the top "Xeon" part since they don't want overclocking to occur in servers (although there are many additional prohibitions that prevent such activities). Intel is hopelessly hung up on anything to do with unlocking or overclocking Xeons. The separation in dual Xeons and single CPUs with Skylake-E/EP (Sockers 3647 and 2066) may be how Intel plans to separate the two markets. They don't care about unlocking i7s, so a higher end i7 is more likely.
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i see an amd chip almost matching a 1000 dollar intel extreme part and being slower than newer architectures.

what do you see?

That with the same GPU my FX-9590 would be about as fast as the very first LGA-1366 system I made in December 2008 in the Battlefield 1 Alpha.
That being the case it's remarkable how little performance Intel managed to gain - Nehalem to Haswell.
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Again, given the Xeon parts being produced, it's easy to advocate for those to be unlocked or made into consumer equivalents. The Xeons demonstrate well what Intel's capable of and to advocate for those chips to have clock speed limitations removed is a no brainer and doesn't require any connections or inside knowledge.

So it was just a lucky guess on your part then. biggrin.gif
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Intel is doubtlessly looking with more interest at higher end unlocked parts now given the fact that the i7-6950X is selling well. Intel doesn't want to unlock the top "Xeon" part since they don't want overclocking to occur in servers (although there are many additional prohibitions that prevent such activities). Intel is hopelessly hung up on anything to do with unlocking or overclocking Xeons. The separation in dual Xeons and single CPUs with Skylake-E/EP (Sockers 3647 and 2066) may be how Intel plans to separate the two markets. They don't care about unlocking i7s, so a higher end i7 is more likely.

The SP only Xeon E3 and E5 lineups for Sandy/Ivy actually had unlocked multipliers if I'm not mistaken, although never public advertised for obvious reasons. This demonstrates that Intel is willing to unlock some Xeons but not others, which as multiple people have pointed out already, could only be due to business reasons.
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That being the case it's remarkable how little performance Intel managed to gain - Nehalem to Haswell.

How little performance compared to what?

There have been steady improvements in IPC and peak core counts doubled between Nehalem and Haswell. An i7-965 and an i7-5960X cost the same on release but the later part is three times as fast in software that takes advantage of it.

Gaming performance hasn't increased three fold, but that's because games generally aren't CPU limited or don't leverage more cores very well, usually both. Master___Shake's correlation was spurious.
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The SP only Xeon E3 and E5 lineups for Sandy/Ivy actually had unlocked multipliers if I'm not mistaken, although never public advertised for obvious reasons. This demonstrates that Intel is willing to unlock some Xeons but not others, which as multiple people have pointed out already, could only be due to business reasons.

All Xeons have now been locked, starting with the E5-1600 V4. I was made aware of their plan to do this last September.
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Well there you go, they took the last bit of fun away from Xeons. I do agree on one thing, that it's pretty clear with this regression, Intel is very keen on having a clear segmentation between Xeons and all the rest. I don't doubt we'll see top unlocked parts get more and more cores just going by historical trend, but they'll never match (or even come close) to the top Xeon. And frankly I don't see them unlocking the top Xeon in the foreseeable future.
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