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Originally Posted by Cyro999 View Post

There are API benchmarks without game logic loading the CPU or graphics bottlenecks. There's one built into 3dmark IIRC, and people did tests on it after the release all over review sites.

Link for a specific test that shows a hard scaling limit to 6 threads? I haven't seen any that wasn't either inconclusive or downright faulty.
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Guys, there were no 086 chips in the 90's. There were IA16 AND IA32 but the x86 command set was left behind and had to rely on translation libraries (what's now called HAL in Windows) to operate on computers. All 64bit stuff except the Itanium is AM64 which does not native support IA16/IA32 at all. That's why we've got programs like "Dosbox" and "4dos" out there.

The first 8086 chip came out on late 70s.
The x86 started at 16bit, not 64bit.
But its irrelevant.

He was talking earlier about comparing the a Cyrix cpu (which started and died during the 90s) and compared it to an intel CPU.
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I see arguments about IPC / IPS and what not... all these claims assume the software is able to capitalize on multiple cores by balancing its load perfectly. I'm no expert on other peoples code but in my experience most games aren't fully optimized to use multiple cores properly. Maybe DX12 will change that and maybe it wont.

Point is, for a general purpose processor you'll use for gaming (and other uses) you absolutely want strong single threaded performance, or IPC, or single core IPS if you prefer. And you'll also want multiple cores. I believe six cores appears to be the cutoff at the point in time. Trying to compare an extreme of one scenario, with the extreme of the other is rather pointless.

That is actually what I was explaining.
Single thread single core performance is vital.
The claims that a 32 core cpu will eat and kill everything just because it has more IPS, is just not knowing how actual computers and games work.

Also, you can't really balance everything around cores. It is way too complicated in the gaming world when you a couple of main threads to manage everything and the rest are more in terms of a helping hand.
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All Xeons have now been locked, starting with the E5-1600 V4. I was made aware of their plan to do this last September.
Aren't these the same chips used in Broadwell-E? That's more work to lock down than leaving them unlocked, right?
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That being the case it's remarkable how little performance Intel managed to gain - Nehalem to Haswell.

How little performance compared to what?

There have been steady improvements in IPC and peak core counts doubled between Nehalem and Haswell. An i7-965 and an i7-5960X cost the same on release but the later part is three times as fast in software that takes advantage of it.

Gaming performance hasn't increased three fold, but that's because games generally aren't CPU limited or don't leverage more cores very well, usually both. Master___Shake's correlation was spurious.

You stated your build from 08 nearly matches the performance of an FX 9590 in the situation given , you'd have to contradict yourself to say it isn't also nearly the equal of a 3.9 ghz 4770K.
I'd agree that the whole story isn't reflected in master_shakes response, but I have a question for you. Does comparing an overclocked processor to a stock one fall under the heading " spurious" by your own definition ?
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You stated your build from 08 nearly matches the performance of an FX 9590 in the situation given , you'd have to contradict yourself to say it isn't also nearly the equal of a 3.9 ghz 4770K.

My 3.8GHz i7-920 is almost the match of a stock 4770K in applications that don't take good advantage of Haswell's new instructions sets or other architectural advantages. A 3.9GHz 3770k would be a fair bit faster.
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I'd agree that the whole story isn't reflected in master_shakes response, but I have a question for you. Does comparing an overclocked processor to a stock one fall under the heading " spurious" by your own definition ?

The FX part Master___Shake was referring to was also one that was already very near it's peak clock potential. Stating that that a 4.7GHz Piledriver can almost match a 3.5GHz Sandy Bridge and then implying it's of superior value by picking the most expensive Sandy Bridge based consumer part ever released to compare it to was the spurious part.

Yes, the 3970X cost 1000 dollars on release and yes, it was always an extremely poor value for gaming. There are still i5s that cost 20% of what it did that would have scored the same in this benchmark, even without an overclock, and Vishera is still not an especially good architecture for games.

The comment Shake was responding to was more accurate. Even very well-threaded games don't do particularly well on Vishera if they are still CPU dependent. Yes, I could put most any eight-core Vishera parts in my Sabertooth, put a waterblock on it, and clock it to ~4.8GHz and you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and any other CPU in most games, even with a single GTX 1080...but I could say the same thing about an i5 in a sixty dollar motherboard with the stock cooler.
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i see an amd chip almost matching a 1000 dollar intel extreme part and being slower than newer architectures.

what do you see?
I see a i3 beating out a first gen 8 core AMD FX chip, and a i5 beating out a second gen 8 core fx part, in a game that scales very well with multiple CPU cores.

AMD may benefit from scaling, but it doesnt cover up the utter garbage that was bulldozer. Should have been put out to pasture after the 81xx series.

I, along with many others, sincerely hope that zen is better. They need to get single core IPC up, along with getting their TDP under control, if they want any hope of surviving. And we, as a consumer base, want AMD to survive. A world without them, with only intel calling the shots, is a very dark one.
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You stated your build from 08 nearly matches the performance of an FX 9590 in the situation given , you'd have to contradict yourself to say it isn't also nearly the equal of a 3.9 ghz 4770K.

My 3.8GHz i7-920 is almost the match of a stock 4770K in applications that don't take good advantage of Haswell's new instructions sets or other architectural advantages. A 3.9GHz 3770k would be a fair bit faster.
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I'd agree that the whole story isn't reflected in master_shakes response, but I have a question for you. Does comparing an overclocked processor to a stock one fall under the heading " spurious" by your own definition ?

The FX part Master___Shake was referring to was also one that was already very near it's peak clock potential. Stating that that a 4.7GHz Piledriver can almost match a 3.5GHz Sandy Bridge and then implying it's of superior value by picking the most expensive Sandy Bridge based consumer part ever released to compare it to was the spurious part.

Yes, the 3970X cost 1000 dollars on release and yes, it was always an extremely poor value for gaming. There are still i5s that cost 20% of what it did that would have scored the same in this benchmark, even without an overclock, and Vishera is still not an especially good architecture for games.

The comment Shake was responding to was more accurate. Even very well-threaded games don't do particularly well on Vishera if they are still CPU dependent. Yes, I could put most any eight-core Vishera parts in my Sabertooth, put a waterblock on it, and clock it to ~4.8GHz and you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and any other CPU in most games, even with a single GTX 1080...but I could say the same thing about an i5 in a sixty dollar motherboard with the stock cooler.

I guess I'd feel like I mislead people if I didn't include " with a 40% + overclock" in what was posted.

It's been my experience that in battlefield 4 it takes at least 4 ghz on the 4790k to match my FX at 4.7ghz . ( both running memory at 2400mhz which helps the Vishera, never really tested what DC gains over 1600mhz etc. )

Techspot sees things similarly as shown here, even with the supposed "high cpu overhead" of an AMD gpu.


Never owned a 920 so I can't make a comparison. If I get a chance I'll drop either the 290X lightning or 780Ti in the 3770K rig and see where things balance out at - FX vs Ivy.
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I guess I'd feel like I mislead people if I didn't include " with a 40% + overclock" in what was posted.

It's been my experience that in battlefield 4 it takes at least 4 ghz on the 4790k to match my FX at 4.7ghz . ( both running memory at 2400mhz which helps the Vishera, never really tested what DC gains over 1600mhz etc. )

Techspot sees things similarly as shown here, even with the supposed "high cpu overhead" of an AMD gpu. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Never owned a 920 so I can't make a comparison. If I get a chance I'll drop either the 290X lightning or 780Ti in the 3770K rig and see where things balance out at - FX vs Ivy.

 

Our own @Sgt Bilko did some interesting testing: http://wccftech.com/fx-8370-i5-6400-gaming-comparison/  and http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-6700k-6600k-amd-fx-8370/  that aligns with my own experiences testing FX vs a 3770k and 6700k at different resolutions. Essentially, at 1080p FX 'struggles', though with the kind of GPU power most folks are pushing alongside a 4.8GHz Vishera chip, it's really an academic discussion as the frames are still 60+. At 1440p and 2160p the Intel lead grows progressively stronger as the workload for the GPU increases, meaning that those running higher-than-1080p resolutions still have a bit of time before replacing their FX chips becomes a 'necessity'. As enthusiasts we all tend to overstate requirements/needs/differences but if you're on an FX octacore or Intel K-series from the last half-decade you're alright 'til your next upgrade.

     
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I guess I'd feel like I mislead people if I didn't include " with a 40% + overclock" in what was posted.

It's probably harder to get 4.7GHz out of a FX-9590 (yes, I know that's stock) than it is to get 3.8GHz out of an i7-920.

This is an overclocking forum and I'm generally operating under the assumption that most people here care about what a part can reasonably do, not what number happens to be printed on it. The i7-920 was so popular because a 40-50% OC was virtually a given. You really needed to dig to find sample that could not do 3.8GHz, and 4-4.2GHz was a comfortable expectation for the D0 stepping.
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It's been my experience that in battlefield 4 it takes at least 4 ghz on the 4790k to match my FX at 4.7ghz . ( both running memory at 2400mhz which helps the Vishera, never really tested what DC gains over 1600mhz etc. )

Techspot sees things similarly as shown here, even with the supposed "high cpu overhead" of an AMD gpu.

The Techspot charts imply that a 3GHz 4790K would match your 4.7GHz FX if a 4GHz 4790K is. It's almost a completely GPU limited test.
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As enthusiasts we all tend to overstate requirements/needs/differences but if you're on an FX octacore or Intel K-series from the last half-decade you're alright 'til your next upgrade.

When it comes to games, a solid quad core from 7 years ago will do quite well today with just a GPU upgrade. If pure gaming is the only concern, you just don't need a particularly high-end CPU.

Pretty sure the last time I bought or OCed a CPU specifically for gaming was before 3D accelerators had hardware T&L, probably around 1998-1999.
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Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
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Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
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Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
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Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
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X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
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Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
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ASUS Xonar DS 
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i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
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