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Wierd. Skylake just launched a while back and then we got broadwell. Now Kaby lake and coffee lake is also launching soonish. Maybe Intel is being wary of Zen?
Not really, this pretty much falls in line with their planning for the next few years. A lot of people had expected Kaby Lake to drop in Q4 2016 at least.
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Maybe Intel is being wary of Zen?

Mainstream 6 cores in 2018 (maybe) - I'd say Intel isn't wary of anything.
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Z270 board would probably be able to run Skylake chips just like Z77 could run Sandy Bridge chips. Remeber the late 2012 Z68Gen3 boards & how Z77 motheboard released ahead of Ivy Bridge chips ? Those had features Sandy Bridge couldn't use but were released ahead of Ivy Bridge for some reason(i.e OEMs already had the boards made and wanted to move units since they can be functional without new CPU anyway.)

http://techreport.com/review/22755/z77-motherboards-from-asus-gigabyte-and-msi

The Z77/Ivy Bridge lag was 3 week-1 month, but it is totally possible for Z270 MBs to be sold without a Kaby Lake K chip on the market.

That's a great precedent. Hmm...however, that was because of 22nm delays. Here, we should have no node delays. In fact, this is the longest we've ever been on the same node since Tick Tock launched.

I mean, from the OP, it looks like they've already finished Kaby Lake and are shipping the identical-to-retail chips to OEMs, right? Orrr....maybe they're only shipping the mobile CPUs now? That could be it...and AFAIK, they chip mobile before desktop, right? It'd be unusual to see that flipped here or for the two to even coincide.

That would make a lot of sense. Get people to buy new motherboards, they can buy KL in a laptop, but the CPU for that Z70 is in 2017. Gooood point.
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Wierd. Skylake just launched a while back and then we got broadwell. Now Kaby lake and coffee lake is also launching soonish. Maybe Intel is being wary of Zen?

Just to quickly correct, Broadwell came before Skylake. But, Broadwell only was "top dog" for about 2 months when Skylake launched, hahaha.
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Truth. Skylake has good performance and good overclocking, but all the "other" things have made it feel like a "meh" upgrade.
haha, just putting 2 and 2 together.
Yes. SL/KL-X are more interesting (or confusing?). It's like Intel is completely moving their "high end" parts off from the consumer socket. I mean, with LGA 2066, they'll support 4-core CPUs on the high-end socket.

Kaby Lake -X sounds just like the i7-7700K: 4c/8t, 16 lanes of PCIe, 2 channel DDR4....except at a 112W TDP instead of a 91W TDP. Does that mean it will be a bigger die? How can they can fit a 10c in the same socket as a 4c? Presumably, the 4c will just be getting "bigger"--that is, it might use solder, too, then.

I'm unsure what exactly is going with their transition from E to X. We'll see.

They will most probably add an S version preceding the E. tongue.gif
 
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https://benchlife.info/14nm-kaby-lake-s-rts-ww50-06192016/
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Although the message that is mentioned in the Kaby Lake Desktop processors will be delayed, but in fact ...

According to the information in the hands, Intel in the 14nm manufacturing process platform Kaby Lake will tip the Kaby Lake-U and Kaby Lake-Y, the time point in the third quarter; as for desktop use Kaby Lake-S is as expected in the fourth quarter release, but this is limited to part of the product.



Intel plans to postpone the report mentioned the desktop version of kaby Lake-S processor time to market, may be just a smoke bomb, to facilitate the operation of motherboard makers to accelerate sales of existing products. Kaby Lake-S Version 4 + 2 processor is expected to begin mass production in 42 weeks, and related products will certainly be ready to ship in 50 weeks (Ready To Ship). Kaby Lake-S of 4 + 2 ES Edition processor at 15 weeks has begun sending.

As for the 2 + 2 version Kaby Lake-S production schedule set in 2016 the first 51 weeks, but to see it in the market, may have to wait until after February 2017.

There is still no exact time to market Kaby Lake-S's.

4 + 2 generally refers to the Core i5 and Core i7 grades, and 2 + 2 is Core i3 following levels; series processor TDP is still the highest in 95W, 65W and there are other 35W, this processor belong LGA package.

At this stage, Intel will launch two wafer Z270 with H270, H110 and part of their life cycle will continue until the 10nm manufacturing process Cannon Lake; Intel 200 series and 100 series wafer biggest difference is that the former joined the Intel Optane technical support. On the other hand, the enterprise market will be brought in Q270, Q250 and B250 chipset.

looks like the quad cores will be released 2 weeks after mobos (33/36) . but maybe i read that slide wrong
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They will most probably add an S version preceding the E. tongue.gif

Upgrades with cpus now are meh...Im sitting on a I7 6700k and wont be upgrading untill 5 or so year
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Still waiting on an affordable overclock-able 8 core chip in the 300-450€ range.
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Anyone knows when core M products will be out?
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They will most probably add an S version preceding the E. tongue.gif

Upgrades with cpus now are meh...Im sitting on a I7 6700k and wont be upgrading untill 5 or so year


I'm with you. Since I got my 2500k in 2011... I think upgrading this time to what will likely be a 6700k unless kaby lake is a decent performance increase over SL. I'll pick up the 4core 8 thread CPU this time around because I know I'll need it for the next 5+ years... I really can't see there being a need for a more powerful CPU if I'm running 1080p and games these days won't overload an overclocked 8 thread intel CPU...
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That's a great precedent. Hmm...however, that was because of 22nm delays. Here, we should have no node delays. In fact, this is the longest we've ever been on the same node since Tick Tock launched.

I mean, from the OP, it looks like they've already finished Kaby Lake and are shipping the identical-to-retail chips to OEMs, right? Orrr....maybe they're only shipping the mobile CPUs now? That could be it...and AFAIK, they chip mobile before desktop, right? It'd be unusual to see that flipped here or for the two to even coincide.

That would make a lot of sense. Get people to buy new motherboards, they can buy KL in a laptop, but the CPU for that Z70 is in 2017. Gooood point.
Just to quickly correct, Broadwell came before Skylake. But, Broadwell only was "top dog" for about 2 months when Skylake launched, hahaha.

If they are shipping quad core laptop chips, there could be knock-off chips that failed binning that is ready to be relabeled as K chips. But if they are shipping just dual core low power chips, then it could get dicey.
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