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Indeed, nobody is forcing me to use Win Spy, so I use Win 8.1 without the telemetry. I could safely use Win Spy as all that NSA spying is blocked in China.

And how do you know that 8.1 doesn't have telemetry?
And you really think NSA aren't spying in china? biggrin.gif oh you naive little man biggrin.gif
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And how do you know that 8.1 doesn't have telemetry?
And you really think NSA aren't spying in china? biggrin.gif oh you naive little man biggrin.gif

Windows 7-10 all has telemetry, 7, 8, and 8.1 are just not baked in pushing out excessive data, it was pushed out in updates little after Windows 10 released. So generally if you don't do select updates it's fine.
post #53 of 144
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Why do individuals get to decide what Microsoft's OS is or isn't? It's their product, they can make it however they like. Nobody is forcing you to use windows. If they want to collect data to make the OS and apps work better then that is their prerogative. If you don't like the way they make their product then you don't have to use it. I personally don't have any problem with windows 10 or it's telemetry. Flame me all you want, I just don't care.
Not even close to correct !
Microsoft has a virtual monopoly on an entire segment of the market - a monopoly that they chose to abuse .
I only wish my country had the balls to stand up and fight against it - but unfortunately they are most likely sharing in the data pool and heavily supporting it .
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Not even close to correct !
Microsoft has a virtual monopoly on an entire segment of the market - a monopoly that they chose to abuse .
I only wish my country had the balls to stand up and fight against it - but unfortunately they are most likely sharing in the data pool and heavily supporting it .

Yeah, sadly. I use Win7 and turned off the win updates when I saw which way the Win10 wind was blowing before it's release.

No offence to the French but they kick up a fuss about a lot of things but hardly anything changes. They like to tell the world that somethings wrong but not do anything to fix it, however we'd be naieve to think that most countries aren't sharing the data. It annoys me to no end that; not only do MS have this monopoly on OS' but any data they get is shared with the USA. That not only gives them a monopoly of the OS' but also goes back to the USA having far, far too much influence over the internet.

Something which they are abusing as well.
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thank you for showing how apps on a smartphone are not comparable to an OS on a PC.

Yes, because you can do everything on the OS, without the apps rolleyes.gif

sure since the only apps that run on a PC is from MS, right? rolleyes.gif

one can choose which apps to install on a handset. i don't use twitter's nor FB's specifically because lollipop won't allow me to adjust those privacy settings whereas marshmallow will. however it's main purpose is not such as a PC.

don't know why this needs explained.
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sure since the only apps that run on a PC is from MS, right? rolleyes.gif

one can choose which apps to install on a handset. i don't use twitter's nor FB's specifically because lollipop won't allow me to adjust those privacy settings whereas marshmallow will. however it's main purpose is not such as a PC.

don't know why this needs explained.

Sadly, no.
Why do you think everyone are using Facebook and not myspace anymore? Or use Facebook messenger and not hangouts? Or whatapp or snap chat and not the 10000 other copy cat apps? Or instagram? Or youtube?

These are de facto apps and sites now. If you are not using them, the are "out" of the community.

Claiming that MS is the de facto OS and not these apps and sites, is completely lying to yourself.
If you can choose not to use Facebook, you can choose not to use MS and use linux instead, and play supporting games on that.
If you want to play every other game which runs only on windows, it is the same as wanting to communicate with your friends who are using Facebook, so you have to use the same.
If you don't use Facebook and twitter, you are using anything else, which is also breaching your privacy.

So yes, "one can choose" is a lie, if you want to be current. This is especially true as generations change. Today's kids have no idea how to "live" without Facebook, youtube, without their cell phones. And regardless of saying "well I don't do that", to each one who say they don't, there are 10,000 who don't care and don't know.
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sure since the only apps that run on a PC is from MS, right? rolleyes.gif

one can choose which apps to install on a handset. i don't use twitter's nor FB's specifically because lollipop won't allow me to adjust those privacy settings whereas marshmallow will. however it's main purpose is not such as a PC.

don't know why this needs explained.

Sadly, no.
Why do you think everyone are using Facebook and not myspace anymore? Or use Facebook messenger and not hangouts? Or whatapp or snap chat and not the 10000 other copy cat apps? Or instagram? Or youtube?

These are de facto apps and sites now. If you are not using them, the are "out" of the community.

Claiming that MS is the de facto OS and not these apps and sites, is completely lying to yourself.
If you can choose not to use Facebook, you can choose not to use MS and use linux instead, and play supporting games on that.
If you want to play every other game which runs only on windows, it is the same as wanting to communicate with your friends who are using Facebook, so you have to use the same.
If you don't use Facebook and twitter, you are using anything else, which is also breaching your privacy.

So yes, "one can choose" is a lie, if you want to be current. This is especially true as generations change. Today's kids have no idea how to "live" without Facebook, youtube, without their cell phones. And regardless of saying "well I don't do that", to each one who say they don't, there are 10,000 who don't care and don't know.

I'm proud to have been out of this community you talk about for ten years. I've missed nothing and continue to miss nothing.

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Or what, they'll toss a croissant at them vigorously?

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I'm proud to have been out of this community you talk about for ten years. I've missed nothing and continue to miss nothing.

So far, this guy is the only one who seems to get it.

Stuck primarily to this as well. Never used Twitter, Instagram, or w/e all of those other wacky things are. Did use Facebook for a bit, but I realized that it literally had no purpose as the people I really talked to either use other decentralized VOIP options with less surveillance (Mumble or Teamspeak* as an example, although I am sure if someone cared enough, they could exploit OpenSSL and get into those as well,) or I talked face to face. Email/calling/SMS works fine for stuff you care less about being read.

To those who keep going on about "who cares, Win 10 is fine with its telemetry," you need to consider that this can (and likely has or will) be exploited. Tracking app time, or voice searches, or whatever seem innocuous at the surface level, but it can all be weaved together and used against you even as a blanket activity. It's not tinfoil hat time anymore, this is the real deal.

While France vs. Microsoft is likely futile (MS just doesn't care,) at least it shows those tectonic plates of tension are still rubbing up against each other and that people are still (rightfully) complaining about it. My desktop OS should not function like a bunch of iOS or Android spy apps, I should be able to control what I send out, what updates I actually want or to turn them off, or how I manage my drivers without resorting to ripping packages out with DISM, or messing with individual components in WinSxS or the registry hives...

Now, Microsoft is perfectly allowed to do whatever they want (just like any other large company, Blizzard or Nvidia as examples,) it doesn't mean though that I'm going to roll over and like it.

*Teamspeak sends back stuff as well and likely can be broken into just like Skype, but Mumble is fairly secure.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Why do individuals get to decide what Microsoft's OS is or isn't? It's their product, they can make it however they like. Nobody is forcing you to use windows. If they want to collect data to make the OS and apps work better then that is their prerogative. If you don't like the way they make their product then you don't have to use it. I personally don't have any problem with windows 10 or it's telemetry. Flame me all you want, I just don't care.

Because your mean boy talk has no place in the real world. There is effectively a monopoly of Windows on certain areas of business, this is something that affects hundreds of millions, if not more than a billion people who have no other choice.

The whole "you don't have to use it" thing is cute but not practical, and is an impossibility on numerous cases. With that considered, there is this little something called business ethics. I know it's hip to be an amoral anarchocapitalist kid these days, but we as groups of people, as societies, have been saying what businesses can do and how they can do it for A VERY LONG time now. So if some democratically elected government, regardless of its quality, decides "hey you can't do business like that, our country our rules, obey, get fined or bugger off", you'd better comply.

I know this whole "not bending over to corporations" thing is out of style, but you know, maybe some people aren't so bothered anymore to be called EBIL SOCIALISTS!!!111!1! because they decided that their will, expressed through a democratic governing body of a SOVEREIGN NATION, is more important than that of a private foreign corporation - crazy huh?
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