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Honestly I think that if you aren't going to take the free update then obviously you have no plans to EVER move to windows 10.

Think long and hard about it because it would really suck to have to pay for it when you could have got it for free.
One could do as I did - I took a spare drive and got it on that drive, then set it aside.
This way I have my freebie yet don't really have to run it if I don't want to. Also know I still have my copies of Win 7 should I really need them.
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Windows 7 is a dying platform.There is already websites that don't support windows 7 and will be plenty more to come.
Par for the course with the passage of time concerning any software.
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If you are choosing not to go to 10 then that means your days with windows are numbered and you should start thinking about a permanent alternative.Unless you don't want to use windows anymore in the future,take the free upgrade.

Now this is just my opinion and how I see it. I have held out for this long but I am moving to 10 now along with some friends of mine because I think that I still want a future with windows.
This is also an opinion: One terrific alternative I can suggest checking out would be Linux Mint 18 Cinnamon, it's very much like Windows and it's been working great since I installed it.
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Don't get me wrong,I really don't like the direction Microsoft is taking with this,but I also feel that windows is the best option for me when it comes to computing,and it will be kind of fun to explore all the new options that come with 10.

I also run linux on a few other pc's I have along with a hackintosh,but I like to have all the bases covered.
Not a bad idea, keeping your options open and that's what I'm doing as well. thumb.gif
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I upgraded to windows 10 Pro from windows 7 Ultimate, because it fixed my stuttering in dota 2, but probably a clean install of winows 7 would fixed that also.
However i used custom install and turned every setting off so it is running good for now, just like windows 7 was. Will see later in the years.
There are few things i don't like, like i can get rid of cortana and the alphabet layout in the start menu for programs, the toolbars for quick instruments in windows explorer, the windows 10 sound, the ability to turn windows updates off (at least i can defer them which is highly recommended imo) and maybe somethings i can't think of right now.

You gotta love cortana's "awww you really wanna disable me?" cry biggrin.gif I don't have any major headaches except the all or nothing mentaility of windows update system. I wonder if they'll ever go back to the old, update by update based download/installation.
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Guys follow this guide for 7 updates: http://www.howtogeek.com/255435/how-to-update-windows-7-all-at-once-with-microsofts-convenience-rollup/
Do not use that, it contains all the backported telemetry and i would bet that GWX is there too....
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I tried giving 10 a try a few days ago just to get my unique key, (upgrade > get key > format, clean install 10 via ISO from MIcrosoft) but the forced driver installation made me despise Microsoft.

I know you can block the updates in Home Basic or w/e the base version is called as it lacks the tool the other versions have, but once you reboot it automatically installs them. I assume you can just disable your NIC to prevent this, but that shouldn't have to happen. Then going back to 7 was a nightmare with 9 hour scans and updates that wouldn't install.

We all know we need to at least be able to remove drivers, reboot without any installed, then install new ones or there are issues.
Edited by Ascii Aficionado - 7/25/16 at 1:28am
 
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I tried giving 10 a try a few days ago just to get my unique key, (upgrade > get key > format, clean install 10 via ISO from MIcrosoft) but the forced driver installation made me despise Microsoft.

I know you can block the updates in Home Basic or w/e the base version is called, but once you reboot it automatically installs them. I assume you can just disable your NIC to prevent this, but that shouldn't have to happen. Then going back to 7 was a nightmare with 9 hour scans and updates that wouldn't install.

We all know we need to at least be able to remove drivers, reboot without any installed, then install new ones or there are issues.

That was driving me insane

Trying to change audio drivers , kept installing the broken ones every time I rebooted

Apart from that though I would not go back to 7
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That was driving me insane

Trying to change audio drivers , kept installing the broken ones every time I rebooted

Apart from that though I would not go back to 7

Exactly.

It kept installing an old SB Zx driver and some software that isn't supported by my card (Recon something), as well as a 6 month old Geforce driver.

I'm not touching 10 as long as it does that, period.

I'm back on W7 and I'm now aware of the 2 patches that should prevent those 9 hour scans and 5 hour 0 % progress update sessions and I have the standalone installers ready.

I had a 4 year old installation of W7 before this, so it was time to reformat as the deadline for a free W10 key was near and I've been wanting to anyways.
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Noticed one thing about this last update: It finally makes GWX active on PCs which have formerly been upgraded to 10 and then returned to 7. I performed the 10 upgrade on several systems and then eventually clean installed 7 back onto them. After that I never saw a single nag or tray icon on any of those systems, until now.
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I tried giving 10 a try a few days ago just to get my unique key, (upgrade > get key > format, clean install 10 via ISO from MIcrosoft) but the forced driver installation made me despise Microsoft.

I know you can block the updates in Home Basic or w/e the base version is called as it lacks the tool the other versions have, but once you reboot it automatically installs them. I assume you can just disable your NIC to prevent this, but that shouldn't have to happen. Then going back to 7 was a nightmare with 9 hour scans and updates that wouldn't install.

We all know we need to at least be able to remove drivers, reboot without any installed, then install new ones or there are issues.

Install 10 offline with newest iso from MS. Then disable automatic driver install and reboot. Done. Then carry on and install your own drivers. Its really simple and you are just making it sound more difficult then what it is.
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Honestly I think that if you aren't going to take the free update then obviously you have no plans to EVER move to windows 10.

Think long and hard about it because it would really suck to have to pay for it when you could have got it for free.

Windows 7 is a dying platform.There is already websites that don't support windows 7 and will be plenty more to come.

If you are choosing not to go to 10 then that means your days with windows are numbered and you should start thinking about a permanent alternative.Unless you don't want to use windows anymore in the future,take the free upgrade.

Now this is just my opinion and how I see it.I have held out for this long but I am moving to 10 now along with some friends of mine because I think that I still want a future with windows.

Don't get me wrong,I really don't like the direction Microsoft is taking with this,but I also feel that windows is the best option for me when it comes to computing,and it will be kind of fun to explore all the new options that come with 10.

I also run linux on a few other pc's I have along with a hackintosh,but I like to have all the bases covered.

By going to Windows 10, it only ensures that Windows remains the best option. I'm sticking with 7 and 8.1 (btw, OS has absolutely no bearing on whether a website works until browsers stop supporting it...and considering afaik Firefox and Chrome can run under Windows 98 with the right tools installed it won't likely be an issue until 7/8 are obsolete for other reasons) and planning on moving to Linux, while nearly everything I do runs fine on Linux I am going to have to find alternatives for some things that I do but it'll be worth the pain as it means I'm free from worrying about whatever idiotic idea MS wants to try and push with each new release, whether it's propping up a failing mobile division or trying to be Facebook.

Not hating on your decision btw, it's probably one of the better ones (I personally activated my free upgrade with my Win7 license but remain on my 8.1 install to hedge my bets) but I can see the way this is going; every new Win10 user helps justify MS' decision.
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M$ have said it won't support Zen or Kabby Lake( any 2016 new CPU) on any Windows but 10, so you have to either give up CPU upgrade forever or go linux.

Resistance is Futile rolleyes.gif

Eh, since when did CPUs need driver updates? Seriously, the only issue is if motherboard drivers don't get Windows 7 versions and even then, most components are off the shelf (ie. You can grab ethernet drivers from realteks website, for example) plus you can get the 8.1 drivers and usually have them work on 7 plus it'd be stupid for hardware makers to discontinue support for all hardware prior to 10 considering how mixed the reaction is to it, if they did stop completely with 7/8.1 drivers I could easily see Linux drivers getting a small boost (If nothing else) simply because it offers an alternative for those of us who are very unlikely to ever sidegrade until MS starts doing Windows correctly again. (There's also the fact that you could buy a Skylake/Zen rig, have it work entirely on 8/7 and be set for quite a long while at the current rate of CPU performance increases; particularly so with Zen considering both Vulkan and DX12 have showed massive increases on many core CPUs, and if a 16 thread Zen matches Skylake in DX11 games it'll still be providing playable FPS by the time you're actually worrying about the CPU/Motherboard dying of old age at the current rate of progression)
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Example? Sounds like bull to me.

Trust me, even if it is true those websites would work fine with a small useragent change to trick them that you're on 10. There's no arguable reason that virtually any website wouldn't work on something even as old as Win98SE with a modern enough browser. (The bit that actually makes a difference here)
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Install 10 offline with newest iso from MS. Then disable automatic driver install and reboot. Done. Then carry on and install your own drivers. Its really simple and you are just making it sound more difficult then what it is.

It's still more difficult than grabbing whichever ISO you want, installing and not having to deal with it. thumb.gif
Or, you know, just having a toggle in some advanced settings menu that stops it right in its tracks.
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What should I do if I try to upgrade my PC but it says things are incompatible? Can I still download a copy of W10 and install it on fresh hardware when I eventually build a new PC?
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i5 760 @ stock will update when I get home EVGA GTX 470 @ stock 4GB G-Skill DDR3 
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Windows 7 Saitek Eclipse (Blue) Roccat Kone (now broken) 
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