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Originally Posted by inedenimadam View Post

Boy I hope AMD smashes back before the end of the year, I just dont know if i can stomach the price tag on Nvidia cards, but AMD has not given me an upgrade path at all.

If AMD doesnt step up to the plate by xmas I will probably re-evaluate my need for IQ, sell my 4k TV, go back to 1080p gaming, and keep my 980s. Heck, I cant tell the difference with my glasses off anyway.

Dang it NVidia..your cards are great but your price sucks!

Dang it AMD..your prices are great, but your cards are NOT enthusiast grade.

I am not a fanboi, I hate both sides equally right now.
You know... you can't order a soup and would want to eat a steaks... You get what your paying for.
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Originally Posted by carlhil2 View Post

If the Titan was the ONLY chip that nVIDIA released every Year, at these prices, I could understand the price argument, but, since there are so many choices/prices...I couldn't afford to pay $1700 for the 6950x, I wanted it bad, but, I would have had to make some sacrifices..I am not even upset at anyone...even though I am jelly of those who do have them...tongue.gif

Dude you have a 5960X @ 4.7. The 6950X will be a sidegrade at best, and if you get unlucky and get one that overclocks poorly (BW-E isn't exactly the best overclocker), it might even end up being a marginal downgrade.

Much better off waiting for Skylake-E. At least there'll be some semi-meaningful IPC gains.
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You know... you can't order a soup and would want to eat a steaks... You get what your paying for.

But if I order a steak from a 3 Michelin star restaurant, I would expect it to come with all the usual sides and garnishes and beyond, not just a barebones steak where they charge extra for the steak sauce. tongue.gif
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If I had a penny every time I read a post telling someone to wait for the next-best thing.
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https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/07/21/titan-x/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nvidiablog+%28The+NVIDIA+Blog%29
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It began with a bet.

Brian Kelleher, our top hardware engineer, bet our CEO, Jen-Hsun Huang, we could get more than 10 teraflops of computing performance from a single chip. Jen-Hsun thought that was crazy.

Well, we did it. The result is crazy. And, as of today, Jen-Hsun now owes Brian a dollar.

The new NVIDIA TITAN X, introduced today, based on our new Pascal GPU architecture, is the biggest GPU ever built. It has a record-breaking 3,584 CUDA cores.

We said our GTX 1080 delivers an “irresponsible amount of performance.” It was a bit reckless. But this is even more reckless.

Oh god that self-adulation is so pathetic and cringe worthy.

Nvidia is surprised they managed to get more performance. .. rolleyes.gif
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If I had a penny every time I read a post telling someone to wait for the next-best thing.

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He already said he's skipping the 6950X, and I'm simply reaffirming that IMO is not a bad decision, and laid out my reasoning for it. I didn't simply go "hurr durr wayt fur Skylake-E durr".

A 6950X @ 4.2 will certainly lose to a 5960X @ 4.7 in single threaded applications. Probably will still beat it in a multi-threaded scenario but then that's not a clear win is it. Hence "marginal downgrade" comment.
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You know... you can't order a soup and would want to eat a steaks... You get what your paying for.

Actually, we're not. The RX 480 cost $200. Assume that this Titan is 3x (highly unlikely) the performance of the 480, it should be $600 by your logic. Nvidia is asking $1200 (6x) the value of the 480.
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And my conclusion is -- since Nvidia knows it's not working, then the demand follows for the strongest single GPU available to VR users ==> thus the price hike.

Even outside of VR there is always demand for more graphics power. It will never stop.
Monitors get higher resolution, or higher hz, games requirement sky rocket to get more realism, things always progress, so there need for the best if you are unwilling to compromise, will never change.
Even if the gtx 1080 was enough for VR at 90hz, tomorrow a game will bring so much more graphics quality for ultra realism rendering, that it will require twice the power of the 1080, and the next one will make you feel like that is the real world with twice the resolution and higher hz and higher IQ, and again, stronger GPU.

Who remembers now that to play crysis at 60fps at max details even at 1080p, took almost 3 years until graphics wise the top GPU was strong enough?

I don't see it as a major bit problem. Early adapters will always have to pay the higher price. Early 4K monitor adapters were willing to pay 3000$ for what you can buy for under 500$ now. People used to be willing to pay 2000$ for 4-way SLI too run 1080p surround/eyefinity, when today they can get two GPUs and a 21:9 wide screen monitor and have some spare change.

I don't see it as a bit major problem. Prices go up for the top requirement. That market space is well, small, very small, in comparison to the majority of the market. And for the majority of the market, the price is much more sane.
While the original titan came out 3 years ago at 1000$ and people rushed to get it so they can play their games at max settings and all, now you get a better performing card for 200$.

Just like TV market. It takes years for technology to catch up to its previous top. It cost more to produce the first high end items, and over time the price reduced as they move all manufacturing to it, so the previous top end becomes the norm, and new top ends comes around.
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Even outside of VR there is always demand for more graphics power. It will never stop.
Monitors get higher resolution, or higher hz, games requirement sky rocket to get more realism, things always progress, so there need for the best if you are unwilling to compromise, will never change.
Even if the gtx 1080 was enough for VR at 90hz, tomorrow a game will bring so much more graphics quality for ultra realism rendering, that it will require twice the power of the 1080, and the next one will make you feel like that is the real world with twice the resolution and higher hz and higher IQ, and again, stronger GPU.

Who remembers now that to play crysis at 60fps at max details even at 1080p, took almost 3 years until graphics wise the top GPU was strong enough?

I don't see it as a major bit problem. Early adapters will always have to pay the higher price. Early 4K monitor adapters were willing to pay 3000$ for what you can buy for under 500$ now. People used to be willing to pay 2000$ for 4-way SLI too run 1080p surround/eyefinity, when today they can get two GPUs and a 21:9 wide screen monitor and have some spare change.

I don't see it as a bit major problem. Prices go up for the top requirement. That market space is well, small, very small, in comparison to the majority of the market. And for the majority of the market, the price is much more sane.
While the original titan came out 3 years ago at 1000$ and people rushed to get it so they can play their games at max settings and all, now you get a better performing card for 200$.

Just like TV market. It takes years for technology to catch up to its previous top. It cost more to produce the first high end items, and over time the price reduced as they move all manufacturing to it, so the previous top end becomes the norm, and new top ends comes around.

I'm not talking about 'max details'. Some games on the VR market right now (Raw Data comes to mind) are unplayable with current hardware at low settings. I think you're underestimating the leap forward in graphics power that is required for it as compared to 4k televisions or other stuff that's out there right now.

I went through the whole Crysis thing. From the start, I was able to play it with current-gen hardware though I had to turn the settings way down.

VR is different. If you cannot see 5 feet in front of you due to blur from low resolution settings, then you cannot play some of the games that are out there. Especially FPSs which require you to be able to see off into the distance.

If images are ghosting due to reprojection from not being able to hold 90Hz, and you get noticeable lag when turning, even at low settings, then the game becomes unplayable due to motion sickness and loss of control optimization.

Yes, there will always be a need for stronger hardware. The issue right now is that there is hardware that can run most 2D games just fine, including the option of SLI, at all 2D resolutions. That is not the case w/ VR right now, and I see this sudden price hike at the high end as too coincidental given the inability of VR to leverage SLI properly and its current state with underpowered hardware.. along with the forementioned release of consumer devices for VR just a few months ago.
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So is it true that this will only be available on the nvidia store at launch? They don't ship to my country but if EVGA get them in then I'll be good.

Sold my 1080s. Don't want another disaster like the 1080 launch here in europe..
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The problem is guys, that the professional market completely overshadow the gamers willing to dish out $999 max for a GPU. So Nvidia of course sell the card at $1200.

Its so funny watching people write "just wait til Vega". Thats the whole issue. Waiting. For something that incompetent AMD company cant deliver at this time. So Nvidia runs the ship. No competition. Charge whatever people are willing to pay. Same about the GTX 1080. You can bet that Nvidia knew AMD have fallen behind with high end. So they made plan accordingly

You can bet your house that Nvidia is holding 1080Ti back until Vega is getting close. And thats not happening until 2017 sometime...
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