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It depends on what country and it depends on the monopoly. Most natural monopolies have high barriers to entry and therefor require government regulation. For instance.. .Utilities like electricity and water tend to be natural monopolies. The government strictly regulates regions that have only one service provider for those services because if they didn't your water bill in certain regions of the country would be 600 a month.


the Semiconductor and GPU industries are natural oligopolies.. the barrier to entry is extremely high now and they require government regulation. This is the reason I have advocated for Samsung or IBM to buy AMD for 6 years... because AMD CANNOT... compete with INTEL.. or Nvidia.

Are you able to explain why Nvidia can charge $1200 for a gpu and the government isnt down their throat for doing so?
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Once again with this launch NV has increased the price on each segment, the proof is in the numbers, the cold hard $$ amounts. And look how over priced they all are even above MSRP. And yes, AMD is no better in that regard. The two companies have kept the consumer so starved many will pay handsomely above MSRP just to get their hands on a current gpu.

Things like that will happen with first(couple) run of new node(16nm, last time 28nm), let me rewind you back to 2012:

X80: $500, but you could argue it is a price increase because a GX104 Chip is used for 680
X70: $330->$400 but hardly anybody complained because 670 was within 10% of 680
X60Ti: $250/290(560Ti 448)->$300 , don't recall people screaming about 660Ti either
X60: $200->$230 , no complaints here either.

Oh and the 7970 for $550 and out of stock

How about 2014-15( Same node, matured process, release MSRP)

X80Ti: $700 -> $ 650
X80: $650-> $ 550
X70: $400 -> $ 330
X60: $250 -> $200

The pattern is quite simple, when producing on a new node, yield is down and cost per chip is up, resulting in MSRP increase across the board and availability issues.

When producing on a matured node, yield is up and cost per chip is down(even if the chips are now larger), resulting in MSRP decrease across the board and less availability issue.
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post #1153 of 3587
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Are you able to explain why Nvidia can charge $1200 for a gpu and the government isnt down their throat for doing so?


Because there aren't people rioting in the street about it... if your water bill was 1000 dollars next month .. I guarantee you'd contact your representative..
 
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I want intel to buy radeon from amd, intel radeon cards will let nvidia in fear and price will become more interesting after some war between them wink.gif who need amd cpu anyway ? LoL , im sorry, i didnt like my amd 6 cores last year lol, still amd cpu could be buy by nvidia. wink.gif i would like these two giants fighting each others for cpu and gpu
Edited by renejr902 - 7/23/16 at 10:38pm
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To be honest i wont do it, but in reality we should not buy this titan xp at that price, even the gtx 1080 is way too much expensive. Nvidia are not honest and fair with their customers.
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Because there aren't people rioting in the street about it... if your water bill was 1000 dollars next month .. I guarantee you'd contact your representative..

Point taken. I dont see people marching the streets protesting about absurdly high gpu prices. I guess the hope lies with AMD if they ever decide to enter the enthusiast level market. I dont expect the government to fix anything honestly. Look at the state of our national healthcare system. Nothing gets fixed because all the key players are in bed with each other.
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Inflation is the reason coke cost a nickel in the 1950s and $1 these days.

Inflation doesn't explain why a $329 GTX 570 now costs $1200.

Video games went mainstream. They are no longer the realm of fat nerds in basements hunched over a PC or kids playing NES on a 19" craptastic basic CRT color TV and no it has not necessarily been for the better as I don't take delight in cringe worthy marketing showcasing clueless celebs playing the latest and greatest blockbuster FPS. But that is what has happened. Its no longer the pristine best kept secret niche hobby. Same thing happened to the firearms market....two years ago my Mac 11a1 cost three grand, now they run eight to nine.
Edited by l88bastar - 7/23/16 at 10:58pm
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It depends on what country and it depends on the monopoly. Most natural monopolies have high barriers to entry and therefor require government regulation. For instance.. .Utilities like electricity and water tend to be natural monopolies. The government strictly regulates regions that have only one service provider for those services because if they didn't your water bill in certain regions of the country would be 600 a month.


the Semiconductor and GPU industries are natural oligopolies.. the barrier to entry is extremely high now and they require government regulation. This is the reason I have advocated for Samsung or IBM to buy AMD for 6 years... because AMD CANNOT... compete with INTEL.. or Nvidia.

I'd rather see Intel buyout RTG tbh. RTG's talent backed by Intel's R&D budget and the world's most advanced fabs would make JHH sweat 24/7 even without that leather jacket lol.

I mean, just imagine what Raja Koduri and his team could accomplish if they weren't hamstrung by budget or fab concerns.

Incidentally, I get the feeling Intel would be a lot less opposed to keeping the Radeon branding than nVidia.
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I hold patents, copyrights and trademarks which all grant me monopolies. However, if I don't produce a quality product with them, those monopolies are useless as the consumer has the choice NOT to support me.


Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Sorry, not going to argue with someone who has no understanding of economics. Good day, Sir!


"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." —Mark Twain
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rolleyes.gif

He already said he's skipping the 6950X, and I'm simply reaffirming that IMO is not a bad decision, and laid out my reasoning for it. I didn't simply go "hurr durr wayt fur Skylake-E durr".

A 6950X @ 4.2 will certainly lose to a 5960X @ 4.7 in single threaded applications. Probably will still beat it in a multi-threaded scenario but then that's not a clear win is it. Hence "marginal downgrade" comment.

Who buys an 8 or 10 core for single threaded applications? The 6950 is a beast. Unless all you do is game in which case a 6700k will suffice.

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No it's not. $650 is the ceiling. Anything more does not warrant any card out there games required to play. If they made 10 Witcher 3 like games every year then yes.

It's easy to put 150 hours into that game. Times that by ten, that's sixty two days. If you have that much time on your hands in general to play games, then you probably don't work. Thus unable to afford 1,200 dollars on a video card.


Myth busted.

On a more serious note, NV agrees 1,000 is not a consumer price point. It is however quite clearly a enthusiast price point.
Edited by Silent Scone - 7/23/16 at 11:19pm
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