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Originally Posted by stangflyer View Post

I will try to keep this short.

The wise thing would of been for people not to have paid $700 for a midrange GPU like the 1080. Card should of been $500 max. The 980 should have been $450. Entirely too many people buying based on performance and not even considering where in the product stack this comes in at.

Yea Yea I know that it is the flagship at "that point in time" and it is "15% faster then the 980ti so it should cost 15% more!"

Nvidia is not stupid, but in a way the customers are setting the prices or at least not helping themselves. The 1080 is still sold out most of the time. We had people selling 980ti's for $350-$450 on Ebay and Craigslist to pay $675-$700 for a 15-20% improvement on the 1080. Nvidia sees this and realizes that they can price where they want. Does not help with no competition from AMD in this segment. I kept my 980ti hybrid because it clocks to 1550 and there was no way I was going to pay almost $700 for a midsize chip card. I understand that performance should not be the only criteria for the pricing of the GPU.

Now the problem is if Vega does not hit a homerun I worry that the 1080ti will be priced at $850-$900. In fact this new card might be the actual TI in itself. ( mad.gif pricing wise).Hopefully Vega does well and it forces the 1080 to drop to $500-525 which is where it should be now. Then the 1080ti can be priced at $725-$750 but I doubt it..

I myself will not pay more than $750 for a GPU because I look at history of the GPU and then add for inflation etc. Look at the prices of the big boy GPU prices - 8800gtx- not including the Ultra's stupid price for 5-7 % performance increase to today. $650 or less to $650 to $700 for a 980ti Then look at the initial prices of the midsize chips. $250 for a 8800gt and now we are scaling all the way to $700 for a 1080.

You see that the high end (excluding TItan) has held prices within 20% for the last 10 years. Hell even the 7800GTX was $649 way back when. I personally am ok with a 20% increase over 10 years for inflation, wages etc. I am NOT ok with the huge increase in the midrange prices.

Just go back in time to when the 8800gt came out in 2007. It was $250 at launch. The card it replaced; the 7950gt was released the year before at $299-$349. I had both cards. The 8800gt almost DOUBLED the 7950gt in performance but was less money. The 8800gt has to be one of the most sold cards of all time along with the 9700pro, ti4200 and the 970gtx.

I know I jumped around a lot here but I just wanted to show that since the 680gtx, Nvidia is killing us in the pricing of the midrange size chip. We should not be paying 300% more for these chips then 7-8 years ago. I am ok with a 20% big chip TI pricing but not over $750-$800.

If pricing was based just on performance like some of you think we would be paying $3000 for a gpu right now. Think about it starting from the ti 4200 days. And go thru each generation and take benchmarks and see what the performance increase was for the midrange. . Now take that % and do the same for the prices. We would be at $3000 or so for a gpu by now.

If we continue buying at these prices we will be paying huge prices all the time like we are now. We need AMD to come out with a winner.

TL;DR

Pricing is based on competition and what the market will bear. Everything else you said is moot.
Edited by Sheyster - 7/24/16 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by d3v0 View Post

Please enlighten us as to why they should price the 1080, which is considerably faster than the GTX 980Ti, for less than the GTX 980Ti was selling for at the 1080 launch? Perhaps your inability to understand simple business economics is why you constantly complain about any card that costs more than $200.

Save up some money, stop complaining.

I will try to keep this short.

The wise thing would of been for people not to have paid $700 for a midrange GPU like the 1080. Card should of been $500 max. The 980 should have been $450. Entirely too many people buying based on performance and not even considering where in the product stack this comes in at.

Yea Yea I know that it is the flagship at "that point in time" and it is "15% faster then the 980ti so it should cost 15% more!"

Nvidia is not stupid, but in a way the customers are setting the prices or at least not helping themselves. The 1080 is still sold out most of the time. We had people selling 980ti's for $350-$450 on Ebay and Craigslist to pay $675-$700 for a 15-20% improvement on the 1080. Nvidia sees this and realizes that they can price where they want. Does not help with no competition from AMD in this segment. I kept my 980ti hybrid because it clocks to 1550 and there was no way I was going to pay almost $700 for a midsize chip card. I understand that performance should not be the only criteria for the pricing of the GPU.

Now the problem is if Vega does not hit a homerun I worry that the 1080ti will be priced at $850-$900. In fact this new card might be the actual TI in itself. ( mad.gif pricing wise).Hopefully Vega does well and it forces the 1080 to drop to $500-525 which is where it should be now. Then the 1080ti can be priced at $725-$750 but I doubt it..

I myself will not pay more than $750 for a GPU because I look at history of the GPU and then add for inflation etc. Look at the prices of the big boy GPU prices - 8800gtx- not including the Ultra's stupid price for 5-7 % performance increase to today. $650 or less to $650 to $700 for a 980ti Then look at the initial prices of the midsize chips. $250 for a 8800gt and now we are scaling all the way to $700 for a 1080.

You see that the high end (excluding TItan) has held prices within 20% for the last 10 years. Hell even the 7800GTX was $649 way back when. I personally am ok with a 20% increase over 10 years for inflation, wages etc. I am NOT ok with the huge increase in the midrange prices.

Just go back in time to when the 8800gt came out in 2007. It was $250 at launch. The card it replaced; the 7950gt was released the year before at $299-$349. I had both cards. The 8800gt almost DOUBLED the 7950gt in performance but was less money. The 8800gt has to be one of the most sold cards of all time along with the 9700pro, ti4200 and the 970gtx.

I know I jumped around a lot here but I just wanted to show that since the 680gtx, Nvidia is killing us in the pricing of the midrange size chip. We should not be paying 300% more for these chips then 7-8 years ago. I am ok with a 20% big chip TI pricing but not over $750-$800.

If pricing was based just on performance like some of you think we would be paying $3000 for a gpu right now. Think about it starting from the ti 4200 days. And go thru each generation and take benchmarks and see what the performance increase was for the midrange. . Now take that % and do the same for the prices. We would be at $3000 or so for a gpu by now.

If we continue buying at these prices we will be paying huge prices all the time like we are now. We need AMD to come out with a winner.

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Originally Posted by Sheyster View Post

Not at all! I'm still within the Amazon return period. I just figured maybe an OCN bro might want it since they're hard to get. It goes back to Amazon in the morning if no one wants it. thumb.gif
TL;DR

Pricing is based on competition and what the market will bear. Everything else you said is moot.

I am glad you highness thinks so!
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^Thanks for keeping it short... rolleyes.gif
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Ok but will this be a paper launch or can i actually order the card and it will be with me in a reasonable timescale?
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Originally Posted by kylzer View Post

Ok but will this be a paper launch or can i actually order the card and it will be with me in a reasonable timescale?

It's being sold on NVIDIA.com exclusively. No aftermarket cards like all the other Titans. With a price tag of $1200, I'm going to assume it will still sell out.
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I just want to know at what price point will Nvidia shillers stop defending Nvidia. How much will it have to cost before we no longer get any "stop whining" posts from these guys.
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I just want to know at what price point will Nvidia shillers stop defending Nvidia. How much will it have to cost before we no longer get any "stop whining" posts from these guys.

I do not think people that buy Titan cards are Nvidia shills. They just want to buy the best. If it was AMD they would get AMD.
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So does anyone remember when the old Titan X was selling on Nvidia website, how fast did it get sold out? couple hours? or minutes?
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Many here or some could put aside $50k a month bud. That is irrelevant to escalating overpricing "and a chump consumer mindset".

#1 buy it if you can/want
#2 use any legal means you want to get a good deal, including social discussion to limit the potential future price increases and maybe signalnanprice decrease. This is PART OF negotiations between consumer and company, heck they DO THE SAME in trolling high priced cards and naming rebrands 680 to 1080 now that us jumping a price bracket again.

Negotiate for the best deal you can then speak with your wallet and if you are a boss work with a team to strengthen your position.

Or well you present a more feminine, milking kinda approach that dominant companies like 😉

Well lets face it, a high end GPU is a luxury item. Its a luxury item in a market dominated by one player, what did you think was gonna happen? Nvidia could charge two grand for these and I am positive they would all sell out....three thousand not so much, but I think two thousand is the threshold that they could get away with. So you have to decide, is Nvidia Evil and milking us? Or do they love us and willing to sacrifice a bit of raw profit to try and keep the luxury good attainable to the common man?
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After reading through this thread.. There's a very common pattern.

Most of the complainers are:
1) 1080 owners that likely wished they waited, so they troll the thread and lie to themselves about wanting the card.
2) People who can't afford the card at all, so they decided to troll the thread about how the product isn't worth the money.

Yes you can argue that this card is poor price:performance, but so is the 1080. No one buying high end cards cares about that, especially something in the Titan lineup. The previous titans were very successful, and this one will be too.

Bingo! Haters are gonna hate. They want to have the best on a budget. Not going to happen no matter what the hobby. Good thing for these whiners my Lightnings will be on Ebay here soon for a bargain price haha.
 
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