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Originally Posted by Lee Patekar View Post

I'd prefer waiting for a Maxwell-like large die.. one without any double precision that optimizes space for single precision logic instead.

Yeah. If they remove DP cores you can fit more then 5000 CUDA cores.
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I really hope Nvidia keeps raising prices until Titan is a $2k minimum purchase. biggrin.gif

We will have another Titan Z.

Don't people remember they chopped the price in half out of the goodness of their hearts?

I mean, afterall, a corporation is a person. rolleyes.gif
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The newest 2016 E6 lineup is 32ms for input lag, which is on par with high quality IPS monitors that many people game on. Last years models were about 55ms, so it's likely only going to improve more. The pixel refresh time is .1ms though, far faster than IPS.

I have zero problems with input lag on mine, it feels exactly the same as the 34UM95 ultrawide it replaced.

Sweet, just gotta find one with DP 1.4 support now. Thanks thumb.gif
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But the 980Ti didn't dethrone the Titan. It was at best equal, but generally very slightly slower with less VRAM. If they released a 1080Ti in 2 months for $900-1000, I'd be fine with that, if it was basically the same as this card with less VRAM.

It's not the same as releasing a 1080Ti/TItan 4 in two months with a full die and 25% faster. That's gonna piss off a lot of people.

Maybe in some edge cases you could say the titan X was just plain superior, Vram and 4k i guess? But for the most part the 980Ti made it irrelevant. It could usually clock higher under water, and had custom cards with far better power delivery/coolers on air, all for $350 less..

But i get what you're saying.
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If and only if Vega is releasing in October. If not, no Ti release for this year.

If Nvidia want to move more product then they'll release a cheaper card regardless of whether or not AMD release a competitor.

They don't release Titans at those prices because they're worth it, or cost that much to make, they release them because there's a group of super-enthusiasts that are willing to pay those prices.

So why not make massive margins on those consumers while they wind up for higher volume Ti cards?
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If Nvidia want to move more product then they'll release a cheaper card regardless of whether or not AMD release a competitor.

They don't release Titans at those prices because they're worth it, or cost that much to make, they release them because there's a group of super-enthusiasts that are willing to pay those prices.

So why not make massive margins on those consumers while they wind up for higher volume Ti cards?

They did release a cheaper card to increase volume, the 1060 GTX.

They are currently selling a 300mm^2 die like hotcakes for 600-700 a pop. Its cheaper to produce than a larger die (like the Titan) and its currently the king of the hill. So why on earth would they lower the price on that moneymaker by selling a larger die (that costs more to produce) for 700-800$? Its wishful thinking on your part.

If you want a 1080 TI you'd better pray Vega beats the 1080 GTX. Then you'll see how quickly nVidia launches a 1080 TI to stay king of the hill. But without AMD we'll see the same scenario we saw with the 680 GTX.
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I'd prefer waiting for a Maxwell-like large die.. one without any double precision that optimizes space for single precision logic instead.

That may well be what GP102 is.
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Update 07/25: NVIDIA has given us a few answers to the question above. We have confirmation that the FP64 and FP16 rates are identical to GP104, which is to say very slow, and primarily there for compatibility/debug purposes. With the exception of INT8 support, this is a bigger GP104 throughout.

Meanwhile we have a die size for GP102: 471mm2, which is 139mm2 smaller than GP100. Given that both (presumably) have the same number of FP32 cores, the die space savings and implications are significant. This is as best of an example as we're ever going to get on the die space cost of the HPC features limited to GP100: NVLInk, fast FP64/FP16 support, larger register files, etc. By splitting HPC and graphics/inference into two GPUs, NVIDIA can produce GP102 at what should be a significantly lower price (and higher yield), something they couldn't do until the market for compute products based on GP100 was self-sustaining.

Finally, NVIDIA has clarified the branding a bit. Despite GeForce.com labeling it "the world’s ultimate graphics card," NVIDIA this morning has stated that the primary market is FP32 and INT8 compute, not gaming. Though gaming is certainly possible - and I fully expect they'll be happy to sell you $1200 gaming cards - the tables have essentially been flipped from the past Titan cards, where they were treated as gaming first and compute second. This of course opens the door to a proper GeForce branded GP102 card later on, possibly with neutered INT8 support to enforce the market segmentation.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10510/nvidia-announces-nvidia-titan-x-video-card-1200-available-august-2nd
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Yeah. If they remove DP cores you can fit more then 5000 CUDA cores.

Not at GP102's die-size.
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Nice! Just need Vega to hit so this bad boy descends in price. :^)
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But the 980Ti didn't dethrone the Titan. It was at best equal, but generally very slightly slower with less VRAM. If they released a 1080Ti in 2 months for $900-1000, I'd be fine with that, if it was basically the same as this card with less VRAM.

It's not the same as releasing a 1080Ti/TItan 4 in two months with a full die and 25% faster. That's gonna piss off a lot of people.

Maybe in some edge cases you could say the titan X was just plain superior, Vram and 4k i guess? But for the most part the 980Ti made it irrelevant. It could usually clock higher under water, and had custom cards with far better power delivery/coolers on air, all for $350 less..

But i get what you're saying.

I purchased SLI Titan's in April 2013, and I will admit I was annoyed when the 780Ti came out with both a full die and cheaper. At the time the extra memory didn't help much. The Titan Black alone wouldn't have annoyed me (and that would have been a pointless release at the time).

At this point I doubt Nvidia will come out with a 1080Ti with full GP102 12GB of GDDR5X (and there aren't any 512MB GDDR5X chips). There will be Volta too soon for that. biggrin.gif

But if they did it would annoy me again. It is very odd how releasing a full die GP102 would annoy me (maybe ~7% faster) but a Volta that was 45% faster wouldn't, geeks are weird. redface.gif
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But if they did it would annoy me again. It is very odd how releasing a full die GP102 would annoy me (maybe ~7% faster) but a Volta that was 45% faster wouldn't, geeks are weird. redface.gif

That's understandable. In case 1, they choose to cut down a $1200 card to release a better card shortly after, when they can make a full die titan right now. In case 2, with the volta, it simply is not ready.
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They did release a cheaper card to increase volume, the 1060 GTX.

Yeah, but the 1060 doesn't have anywhere near the margins the "enthusiast" market does. I meant higher volume compared to the Titans.
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They are currently selling a 300mm^2 die like hotcakes for 600-700 a pop. Its cheaper to produce than a larger die (like the Titan) and its currently the king of the hill. So why on earth would they lower the price on that moneymaker by selling a larger die (that costs more to produce) for 700-800$? Its wishful thinking on your part.

If you want a 1080 TI you'd better pray Vega beats the 1080 GTX. Then you'll see how quickly nVidia launches a 1080 TI to stay king of the hill. But without AMD we'll see the same scenario we saw with the 680 GTX.

I never said they'd be selling the 1080Ti for $700.. That ship has sailed, it's not far fetched to think they'll release a GP102 1080Ti for around $850 though. They left a $5-600 gap between the 1080 and Titan XP, you think that was by accident?

Also no, not wishful thinking.. I wouldn't buy any of Nvidia's rip-off edition cards, even the 1080 is pushing the limits of what I'd pay, and that would only be for a true top-tier GPU like the 980Ti.
Edited by GorillaSceptre - 7/25/16 at 12:49pm
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