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it was cooler the first time we heard about it like 2 years ago bros.

we all know that next year the 1170 will outperform it for 1/4 of the price.

and i will still end up upgrading every new cycle like the mindless sheep i am
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What does you being rich have anything to do with what I said? Here let me refresh your memory:
Then again your post was a complete non-sequitur so I'll just assume you quoted the wrong people for now.

His comment shows me exactly what I think some people who buy Titans believe. Basically that Nvidia is being very generous by selling a gpu as powerful as the Titan XP for $1200, when they are willing to pay so much more. That freaking blows my mind.
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First Titan with GP102, then Quadro GP102.

Is it too much to ask that you just release the god damn Geforce GP102 at the same time you wankers?!

How long before the smaller Quadros ? Funny, you can buy 4 or 5 Titan XP with the price of one Quadro P6000, wanna be snob ? get a P6000 biggrin.gif
Edited by TUFinside - 7/25/16 at 1:41pm
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Where's the info that makes you think Titan XP is a cut Quadro? Even if it is, Nvidia could just release even further cut GP102's as 1080Ti's. The price hiking is at an all time high, so why not squeeze every drop out of consumers they can..

It is likely to be a cut Quadro because it is easy to bin failed Quadros, reclaim them at product engineering, and fuse them as Titans with a fuse recipe.
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What does you being rich have anything to do with what I said?

I've had the feeling for some time threads like these just boil down to how rich people claim to be. headscratch.gif
post #1595 of 3587
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Originally Posted by GorillaSceptre View Post

Where's the info that makes you think Titan XP is a cut Quadro?

Just my unmitigated speculation spurred from this article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10510/nvidia-announces-nvidia-titan-x-video-card-1200-available-august-2nd

Especially this part "NVIDIA this morning has stated that the primary market is FP32 and INT8 compute, not gaming. Though gaming is certainly possible - and I fully expect they'll be happy to sell you $1200 gaming cards - the tables have essentially been flipped from the past Titan cards, where they were treated as gaming first and compute second. This of course opens the door to a proper GeForce branded GP102 card later on, possibly with neutered INT8 support to enforce the market segmentation."
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I've had this conversation more than once. redface.gif

Titan thread - "Titan will be king for a couple years at least"

Titan X thread - "They'll never release a 980Ti so close to the Titan X".

1080 thread - " Pascal Titan is 2017 at the earliest".

I would have disagreed with all the statements above. The way I see things is this. Traditionally nVidia would release their 300 mm^2 die as a xx70 part, and once AMD beat it they'd release a cut from their Quadro lineup as an x80 part. This changed when AMD was first to market with the 7970. nVidia realized their GK104 beat it hands down, and so they branded the 300 mm^2 part the 680 GTX instead of the 670 GTX. That's when the current strategy came into effect.. or so I believe. (obviously I don't have access to insider info)

So the 680 GTX beat the 7970.. and the excess Quadro dies that would have been release were branded Titan and sold for a premium!
Time passed and they re-released the cut Quadro cards as the 780 GTX, re-branded GK104 as the 770 GTX.
AMD released the R9-290X which beat the 780 GTX, so they released the uncut GK100 as the 780 TI.
Time passed and they release Maxwell since 20 nm failed.. they follow the previous strategy releasing GM104 as the 980 GTX followed by a Titan based on GM100
AMD releases the Fury line which beat the 980 GTX, so they released GM100 as the 980 TI to beat it.

I see a pattern. That's why I'm saying Vega will dictate when the 1080 TI is released.. or even if it gets released.
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The last parts aren't directed at you, just an upset Titan owner who enjoys PM's. lachen.gif

I don't understand the Titan hate really.. If there's no competition in a segment prices will go sky high. Its that simple.
Edited by Lee Patekar - 7/25/16 at 1:45pm
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It is likely to be a cut Quadro because it is easy to bin failed Quadros, reclaim them at product engineering, and fuse them as Titans with a fuse recipe.
I've had the feeling for some time threads like these just boil down to how rich people claim to be. headscratch.gif

Being rich voids all other arguments... lol
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If they really wanted to maximize profits, NOT releasing a 1080 Ti ever would be the smart thing to do. This way if 980 Ti and Titan X owners feel the 1080 isn't enough of an upgrade, then they can step right up to the $1200 card.

Nvidia probably have an entire team dedicated to market research, if they don't release a 1080Ti we'll know which option would of made them the most cash. But based on the past, releasing a Titan followed by a Ti seems like their M.O.

What's better, selling 10 000 Titan's with $800 profits, or 30 000 1080Ti's with $450 profits?

Depends what type of demands they can meet, if they can't meet that 30 000 then they won't bother with a Ti.
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Just my unmitigated speculation spurred from this article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10510/nvidia-announces-nvidia-titan-x-video-card-1200-available-august-2nd Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Especially this part "NVIDIA this morning has stated that the primary market is FP32 and INT8 compute, not gaming. Though gaming is certainly possible - and I fully expect they'll be happy to sell you $1200 gaming cards - the tables have essentially been flipped from the past Titan cards, where they were treated as gaming first and compute second. This of course opens the door to a proper GeForce branded GP102 card later on, possibly with neutered INT8 support to enforce the market segmentation."
I would have disagreed with all the statements above. The way I see things is this. Traditionally nVidia would release their 300 mm^2 die as a xx70 part, and once AMD beat it they'd release a cut from their Quadro lineup as an x80 part. This changed when AMD was first to market with the 7970. nVidia realized their GK104 beat it hands down, and so they branded the 300 mm^2 part the 680 GTX instead of the 670 GTX. That's when the current strategy came into effect.. or so I believe. (obviously I don't have access to insider info)

So the 680 GTX beat the 7970.. and the excess Quadro dies that would have been release were branded Titan and sold for a premium!
Time passed and they re-released the cut Quadro cards as the 780 GTX, re-branded GK104 as the 770 GTX.
AMD released the R9-290X which beat the 780 GTX, so they released the uncut GK100 as the 780 TI.
Time passed and they release Maxwell since 20 nm failed.. they follow the previous strategy releasing GM104 as the 980 GTX followed by a Titan based on GM100
AMD releases the Fury line which beat the 980 GTX, so they released GM100 as the 980 TI to beat it.

I see a pattern. That's why I'm saying Vega will dictate when the 1080 TI is released.. or even if it gets released.

I don't understand the Titan hate really.. If there's no competition in a segment prices will go sky high. Its that simple.

Some good points. We'll find out in a few months. thumb.gif

I'm not hating on the Titan, nor do i have an issue with the people who buy them. They have the money so go ahead and enjoy it. thumb.gif

Expressing frustration or even disdain that chips most of us used to be able to afford (afford is the wrong word, more like what we are willing to spend on this one hobby) isn't hating on the card itself or the people who buy them. If some expect everyone to say they're a good investment, a great deal, or that people should feel lucky Nvidia is offering us this marvel, or else they're just hating well... they may as well leave the thread cus it aint happening.. Not from me anyway. tongue.gif
Edited by GorillaSceptre - 7/25/16 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by criminal View Post

Being rich voids all other arguments... lol

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No denying that. But, how does one verify such a claim?

Number of Titan XPs directly proportional to wealth -or- we're all just house poor and rig rich?

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I've been looking for review updates, have there been any leaks?
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Originally Posted by criminal View Post

Being rich voids all other arguments... lol

OH that was his point. Yeah can't argue against someone who's rich and has an accredited MBA in finance. lachen.gif
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Originally Posted by GorillaSceptre View Post

Nvidia probably have an entire team dedicated to market research, if they don't release a 1080Ti we'll know which option would of made them the most cash. But based on the past, releasing a Titan followed by a Ti seems like their M.O.

What's better, selling 10 000 Titan's with $800 profits, or 30 000 1080Ti's with $450 profits?

Depends what type of demands they can meet, if they can't meet that 30 000 then they won't bother with a Ti.

Well, what would 980 Ti and Titan X owners if they wanted an upgrade and the only two choices were:

1080 @ $609-$700
Titan X @ $1200?

The ones that don't care they're only getting a 20% upgrade bought the 1080 already. The ones that want more performance will either have to buy the Titan X or keep waiting. And I promise you the patient ones are in the minority.

Also at least at the high end, every time a Ti was released it was in response to AMD. 780 Ti was intended to claw back the performance crown from 290X, and 980 Ti was basically to kill Fury X sales. If Vega doesn't exceed 1080 by at least 10-15%, I honestly don't have high hopes for a 1080 Ti.
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

OH that was his point. Yeah can't argue against someone who's rich and has an accredited MBA in finance. lachen.gif
Well, what would 980 Ti and Titan X owners if they wanted an upgrade and the only two choices were:

1080 @ $609-$700
Titan X @ $1200?

The ones that don't care they're only getting a 20% upgrade bought the 1080 already. The ones that want more performance will either have to buy the Titan X or keep waiting. And I promise you the patient ones are in the minority.

Also at least at the high end, every time a Ti was released it was in response to AMD. 780 Ti was intended to claw back the performance crown from 290X, and 980 Ti was basically to kill Fury X sales. If Vega doesn't exceed 1080 by at least 10-15%, I honestly don't have high hopes for a 1080 Ti.

Well, glad i'm sitting this year out then, because i doubt AMD are going to beat the 1080 by that much, if at all. At this point I'll be amazed if they beat the 1070.. Which wouldn't be to bad depending on the price. Not that i would buy a 1080Ti at these prices anyway..

2017 better be a better showing than this year.. Until then this hot pig is good enough for 1080p. biggrin.gif
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