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Haters gon gate. whistle.gif
This was my reasoning:
Basically my point was in the absence of a 1080 Ti, the only alternative to not paying $1200 is to wait. And sooner or later people (or at least those in the ultra high end segment) will cave.
HBM2? Yeah I don't see that coming anytime before Volta Titan, hence Q42017 or later.

Well the OG Titan at least had the same FP64 (DP) capability as the Tesla cards, so there's that (lol can't believe I'm defending the OG Titan doh.gif). Titan X was just a pimped up 980 Ti but at least had more vram. This Titan XP is a mockery of the Titan moniker.
Well, change that 1080 Ti for $1000 in your post to Titan XP for $1200 and what do you get?

I think we can find some middle ground here to agree on Magnek.....you state Nvidia is milking the enthusiasts with a $1,200 card......I agree with that, but I think they could have gotten away with charging $1500 but they didn't. This is a temporary situation, an early adopter fee, because I feel in several months......particularly when BF1 comes out, we will see a 1080ti with similar specs as the TitanXP for a more palpable $999 price tag.
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Excuse me, what qualifications do you have to make such a bold comment? Because from where I am sitting, it looks patently incorrect.

They will release a Titan XP for $1,200 and sell out....then several months down the line they will release the 1080TI for $1,000 and sell out.....then they may do a run of Titan Blacks for $1,500 and sell out. This is pretty much how Nivida has operated for quite some time.

Regardless of what looks correct or not, the Titan X is already the GTX 1080Ti but with a different name.

All Titan Xs always had double the VRAM compared to their x80Ti counterpart, unless the GTX 1080Ti have 6GB of VRAM then this doesn't make sense.

Titan Xs also came with extra computing, this one offer the same Double Precision performance as a GTX 570, ridiculous!

Also, this is the most disappointing Titan ever released regarding die size, with a 310mm2 size this is underwhelming at best, all Titan X had been 600mm2, those 600mm2 old Titans cost twice as much to produce than this one and yet for some reason this cost more to buy.

This is the Ti, the real Titan will be called Titan Ultra or some other BS and will sell for 1500$ with a 400 to 420mm2, and it will be a Bang 4 the buck regarding performance per dollar compared to this current Titan X, not because it is a bargain but because it can only be compared against this current Titan and we have been mislead to think these prices are "OK", it's like believing I have a bigl dong because I can only be compared to Japanesse men.

This is why Nvidia called it Titan X and not Titan P, it's just not a Titan Card, it's the x80Ti with a different name, expect the real Titan to release at least 5 months before Volta with a price so high it'll hurt your wallet by just mentioning it.
Edited by Dargonplay - 7/25/16 at 3:08pm
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This w/ 4-Way SLI and 4K Surround using the Dell OLED 120Hz monitors would be ... epic.

If its anything like the 1080, 2 cards are max for SLI unfortunately.
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On another note, this was posted on the other forums......shows how Nvidia makes new GPUS....really cool stuff! I want that CADENCE so I can emulate TITAN XYZ!!!!!
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I think we can find some middle ground here to agree on Magnek.....you state Nvidia is milking the enthusiasts with a $1,200 card......I agree with that, but I think they could have gotten away with charging $1500 but they didn't. This is a temporary situation, an early adopter fee, because I feel in several months......particularly when BF1 comes out, we will see a 1080ti with similar specs as the TitanXP for a more palpable $999 price tag.

$1200 and $999 isn't that much of a difference. It would have to be $850 or something for the price to be a selling point. But that's really not the main point.

Let's say you have a 980 Ti and you found the 1080 underwhelming, so you wait for something better. Titan XP releases at $1200, and you find the price hard to swallow, so you wait. 3 months go by and no 1080 Ti. BF1 releases and you suddenly find yourself needing more performance. What do you do? You can either buy a 1080 for less money and also substantially less performance increase, or you can buy the $1200 Titan XP. You could of course grab another 980 Ti on the cheap for SLI assuming that's your thing. Or you could wait some more for that mythical 1080 Ti I guess. But at some point, and especially if you actually needed more performance, you're just going to cave, unless you buy a second 980 Ti and go SLI instead.

That's the angle I'm coming from.

Btw I don't think $999 and "palpable" belong in the same sentence.
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HBM2? Yeah I don't see that coming anytime before Volta Titan, hence Q42017 or later.

Well the OG Titan at least had the same FP64 (DP) capability as the Tesla cards, so there's that (lol can't believe I'm defending the OG Titan doh.gif). Titan X was just a pimped up 980 Ti but at least had more vram. This Titan XP is a mockery of the Titan moniker.

Samsung and SK Hynix went into mass production over 6 months ago, TitanXP could of had it. I bet AMD's Fury replacements (not the 490) have it, you know, for their flagship products. rolleyes.gif

http://wccftech.com/samsung-hbm2-dram/

http://wccftech.com/sk-hynix-hbm2-mass-production-q3-2016/

OG Titan was a sort of cheap mans "pro" card, so yeah, at least it was unique compared to the rest of their lineup. I hope you're wrong and we don't have to wait until the end of next year.. At that rate the console kiddies will make me look like a pauper, my 390X would of consumed nearly 50MW of power and may burn out before then, and your 980Ti...

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
(j/k for anyone who thinks i'm serious.)

Not to mention the next Titan will be $2k.. sad-smiley-002.gif
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Folks need to get over the price. If you can't afford it or simply don't want to pay then this GPU is not for you. Get over it! There's PLENTY of GPU options out there at different price brackets. Let's talk about how this card is a beast instead shall we? thumb.gif
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Also, this is the most disappointing Titan ever released regarding die size, with a 310mm2 size this is underwhelming at best, all Titan X had been 600mm2, those 600mm2 old Titans cost twice as much to produce than this one and yet for some reason this cost more to buy.

While I agree that this is some sort of stop gap Titan, the die size is 471mm2 not 310mm2.
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Btw don't know if anybody noticed, but Quadro P6000 was just announced, and surprise surprise, it's the full GP102 chip with 3840 cores.

So this Titan XP is already a salvage part that didn't make the Quadro cut. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by GorillaSceptre View Post

Samsung and SK Hynix went into mass production over 6 months ago, TitanXP could of had it. I bet AMD's Fury replacements (not the 490) have it, you know, for their flagship products. rolleyes.gif

http://wccftech.com/samsung-hbm2-dram/

http://wccftech.com/sk-hynix-hbm2-mass-production-q3-2016/

OG Titan was a sort of cheap mans "pro" card, so yeah, at least it was unique compared to the rest of their lineup. I hope you're wrong and we don't have to wait until the end of next year.. At that rate the console kiddies will make me look like a pauper, my 390X would of consumed nearly 50MW of power and may burn out before then, and your 980Ti...

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
(j/k for anyone who thinks i'm serious.)

Not to mention the next Titan will be $2k.. sad-smiley-002.gif

Mass production for nVidia's Tesla P100 GPU. thumb.giftongue.gif

AMD had a roadmap where they said Vega would have HBM2, so there's that. HBM2 for nVidia is gonna be Volta Titan I expect. As for DX12 and Maxwell, well that's a foregone conclusion. lachen.gif
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$1200 and $999 isn't that much of a difference. It would have to be $850 or something for the price to be a selling point. But that's really not the main point.

Let's say you have a 980 Ti and you found the 1080 underwhelming, so you wait for something better. Titan XP releases at $1200, and you find the price hard to swallow, so you wait. 3 months go by and no 1080 Ti. BF1 releases and you suddenly find yourself needing more performance. What do you do? You can either buy a 1080 for less money and also substantially less performance increase, or you can buy the $1200 Titan XP. You could of course grab another 980 Ti on the cheap for SLI assuming that's your thing. Or you could wait some more for that mythical 1080 Ti I guess. But at some point, and especially if you actually needed more performance, you're just going to cave, unless you buy a second 980 Ti and go SLI instead.

That's the angle I'm coming from.

Btw I don't think $999 and "palpable" belong in the same sentence.

Well then you are living in denial. I can't recall anything being at the $800 ish price point really. They like to go $500-$700 for upper end mainstream like the 1080 and $999+ for the really high performers. If you include x2 cards you could say they have been at the $1,000+ price point for quite some time for the highest end cards and AMD was playin that expensive game too...I recall paying an arm and a leg for the AMD 6990!

Ahh wait, the 6990 was "only" $699 back in 2011....well Its all relative really as ALOT of mainstream appeal has happened in the industry within the last 5 years.

I use the full auto machine gun market as an example as it too has gone more mainstream.
Ten years ago you could have purchased a transferable Colt M16 for around $10,000 - $12,000. Now they are $25,000 - $40,000.
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Edited by l88bastar - 7/25/16 at 3:34pm
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