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so in the end theres no point on getting this card...

So we already established this is a cut chip TI for $1200???

So nvidia can spin XD


But you know its ok to give nvidia our monies XD

Exactly. Not getting my dinero, OG Titan X will be in my sig rig for another year.

Tsk, Tsk, if Nvidia had just made it a full chip I woulda been all in, their loss.
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I'm continuing the analysis, but it's subjective. We can analyze benchmarks as pure numbers, however the model scheme of nvidia and consumer expectations introduce subjectiveness.

For example, a 980 costed $549. A 1080 is $599. Do you expect a 10% increase in performance because that's the ratio of the prices? If the 1080 was named 980 Ti, you'd be happy maybe, but because the naming is 1080 you expect much more. Of course it's not a matter of just naming, but since it's a new architecture you increase your expectations.

I'm comparing 570 vs 470 for example. Around 30% faster. Are you willing to pay 30% more for it? You rationalize that about a year has passed, so it has to be the same price because they're both X70. What if the 570 was 70% faster than the 470? Do you still expect the same price? How much % increase in performance do you expect at the same price, from one year to the other? Let's assume 570 is 70% faster and 70% more expensive than the 470, but a 560 Ti is introduced which is 30% faster and 30% more expensive than the 470. Do you still feel ripped off? I mean, you kind of want the same-level card, you want a 570 but feel nVidia is bending you over because it costs so much more, although it's considerably faster too.

Now suppose that imaginary 570 is just 40% faster but 70% more expensive than the 470. And the aforementioned imaginary 560 Ti doesn't exist. So you're stuck in your decision Let's change those percentages to 40% and 50% respectively. It starts to make sense, but it's all relative from one person to another. And you still will have to pay more.

What are we expecting? That every year the top-end GPU costs $699? That there's at least a 25% increase in performance at the same price? What if superior models are introduced that surpass that 25%? It's a well know fact that the speed and sales price don't go linearly, top CPUs cost much more than a little slower ones. Are we pissed that the $1200 TitanXP is not 100% faster than the 1080? The Quadro P6000 it's gonna cost how much, $1600? $1800? Would it triple performance compared to 1080, even with its 24GB? Of course we don't expect 200% performance out of double price, but a more consumer-friendly ratio. What ratio is that?

It's all relative, I ain't defending nVidia, I'm just trying to anchor my analysis in something. Still filling out this spreadsheet....
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^Point me to a $599 GTX 1080.
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The Titan X Pascal skew is now equivalent to a GTX 570. It's a cut-down flagship like the 570 was.

It's not the same thing. Titan X and GTX 570 have nothing in common. GTX480 probably. GTX570 Reference had power delivery problems and only 320-Bit.
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^Point me to a $599 GTX 1080.

LOL That is what you took away from that post?!

Replace $599 with whatever you think a GTX 1080 costs and reread it. rolleyes.gif
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LOL at the "exciting graph" quote BTW hahahha
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As I stated in another thread, I wouldn't even think twice about dishing about $2000 for a 610mm² pure gaming GPU with 5760 shaders and 16GB HBM2. Like I would trample over you guys just so I could get the card 10 minutes earlier kind of want.

Ironically, in 12 months when such a card comes out for $1,200.....you will be complaining that its overpriced lachen.gif
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I'm just gonna quote myself here:
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Because
a) it's the beginning of the product cycle and
b) the beginning of a new node as well (the most important part)

Kepler sucked because OG Titan took 11 months to release after 680, and 780 Ti took another 9 months after that (so 20 months after 680). Likewise with Maxwell nVidia sandbagged Titan X for 6 months and 980 Ti for 8 after 980.

Being able to tap the full potential of a chip design from the get go means you get more time to enjoy your product. And if 28nm has taught us anything, it's that 16nm is likely here to stay for a while. So a chip that pushes the node to its limit from the outset means you can pretty much just sit back and enjoy the fireworks. It's basically like buying the 2600K of GPUs.

But obviously this would be much less preferable than if you could get people to upgrade every cycle, so you drip-feed performance instead of going all-out from the get go. Hence my comments.
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LOL That is what you took away from that post?!

Replace $599 with whatever you think a GTX 1080 costs and reread it. rolleyes.gif
Just pointing out a very big flaw in your statement. wink.gif
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Just pointing out a very big flaw in your statement. wink.gif

My statement?

It wasn't a big flaw in geort45's statment, the exact price the 1080 sells for is not important and does not change the point being made. Your correction was completely irrelevant to the point being made by geort45.
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