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*The P6000 is a full chip.* Titan XP is not. As i7monkey stated, the Titan XP is akin to a GTX 570.


I would still suggest comparing each card in a generation to the previous generation flagship and then divide that value by price.

Not true, the P6000 is only using GP102 just like the TITAN XP, just with 24GB G5X VRAM http://www.anandtech.com/show/10516/nvidia-announces-quadro-pascal-family-quadro-p6000-p5000

You guys are getting all in a tizzy fit for nothing here. Literally the ONLY thing GP100 has over GP102 is double/mixed precision capability (FP64 and FP16) even the Tesla P100 which uses GP100 STILL only has 3,584 FP32 active cuda cores on it.

The fact of the matter is, there was bad yields this time. 16nm wasn't really ready for use yet; but Nvidia couldn't dare release yet another 28nm gen when we were supposed to be moving to 10nm by 2018. These bad yields are FAR worse the larger the chip is; GP100 ended up with only 3,584 FP32 cores, and double precision capability went down from expected 1,920 to 1,792. This means that even a full GP102 die would simply give you basically the exact same (within a couple percent) single precision gaming, rendering etc.. performance as this GP102 TITAN X, just with scientific/physics etc.. double/mixed precision added on which is useless to 99% of us.

But that's not possible to just re-design like that as this TITAN and the Quadro P6000 are literally coming from bad yield silicon from the wafer originally designed to make the Tesla P100. The silicon that is on the edge of the wafer often ends up with some transistor and cores not functioning 100%, so rather than trashing them and losing money they cut them a bit and resell as cheaper product. The fact of the matter is, these rumors of "volta" in 2017 summer are literally just going to be GP100 after they finally figure out how to get better yield on 16nm; i'm not even sure that it'll be CALLED Volta, more than likely it'll just follow the same pattern the 600/700 series did.

The original 600 series TITAN had 2,688 cuda cores, and ran on "GK110", but even the magical "GK210" only produced 2,880 cuda cores on the 780 TI and the TITAN BLACK. See what i'm getting at here? The "1180 TI" will likely only have a couple hundred more cores than this TITAN X Pascal chip, and HBM probably...that's it. So hate to break the bubble, but we're not getting anything significantly better than TITAN XP until 2018 or so.


TL:DR = TITAN XP has same FP32 performance as GP100. "16nm Volta in 2017" will only provide ~200-300 cuda core increase on nearly identical architecture, just with HBM; i.e. nothing special over GP102. In summary, this chip isn't as bad as people think.
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There's a couple of places that don't charge Cali tax and since you responded to me I figured I'd share my thoughts.


Huh, well i still don't see what tax has to do with rebates; but ok. thumb.gif
 
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I might be getting this becz the next flagship will cost more than this.


Now you are paying every dollar for a single % of performance, and that price per ratio wont drop for years till AMD get bought over or some miracle happens where they catch up. If Titan XXX is 20% faster, u will pay $1500 in future, not $1200.



Dont believe, take a look and compare it with 980. At best case senarios, the new TX-P is 2.2x the performance of 980, but you pay 2.2x more literally. Just compare their MSRP, its the same ratio. lol.


Can you believe pascal titan performance per dollar is same as the flagship geforce card 2 years ago?
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Huh, well i still don't see what tax has to do with rebates; but ok. thumb.gif
Point is that it's not $350 and rebates suck otherwise I'd buy two myself. Don't they also charge $15 for shipping?
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"16nm Volta in 2017" will only provide ~200-300 cuda core increase on nearly identical architecture, just with HBM; i.e. nothing special over GP102.
Volta might give Nvidia that holy grail - hardware async/ACEs etc. wink.gif

that would be the biggest increase (expect more DX12 in 2017/2018 than in 2016), not HBM2 bandwidth and not even the little bit of extra cores that using HBM2 can allow

of course Im talking the "real" Volta, not a refined Pascal v2


but if the only difference will be HBM2 then I agree thats not really worth it for waiting for Pascal, it doesnt need HBM2 nearly as much as GCN seems to need it
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Volta might give Nvidia that holy grail - hardware async/ACEs etc. wink.gif

that would be the biggest increase (expect more DX12 in 2017/2018 than in 2016), not HBM2 bandwidth and not even the little bit of extra cores that using HBM2 can allow

of course Im talking the "real" Volta, not a refined Pascal v2


but if the only difference will be HBM2 then I agree thats not really worth it for waiting for Pascal, it doesnt need HBM2 nearly as much as GCN seems to need it

you overhype what ACE can do, at most it boost DX12 title by another 10%, nothing more.
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you overhype what ACE can do, at most it boost DX12 title by another 10%, nothing more.
maybe, but 10% its still 10%


for a 10% increase via raw power you would need ~15%+ more cores, right ? as well as some extra bandwidth
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maybe, but 10% its still 10%


for a 10% increase via raw power you would need ~15%+ more cores, right ? as well as some extra bandwidth

10% + HBM + some small cores = +25% as we have seen in each generational leap


I dont find anything surprising.
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The moment Nvidia comes out with a GPU with a true hardware based ACE, it will spell the end of AMD RTG and all the fanboy will be put to rest for good.


That is also the moment when your Geforce 1X80 graphic went over the roof to $999 and JHH still tells u you get more performance than a Titan XXX at half the price. It mark the end for PC community tbh.



Anyway I am still stunned TXP has the same per per dollar as a GTX 980 2 years ago when it was release.
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. It mark the end for PC community tbh.
PC community has been dying since the 90s or 80s, I think we'll be fine

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it will spell the end of AMD RTG and all the fanboy will be put to rest for good.
AMD will still be the "cheap budget brand" wink.gif .. thats not bad, ppl like cheap
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