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Originally Posted by DarkIdeals View Post

No, It's still GP102, not GP100 like he was claiming. He was saying that this TITAN was a fully cut down chip akin to a "GTX 570" instead of a 580. Which is nonsense, as even the full GP100 only has 3,584 active FP32 cuda cores; and this P6000 simply gains a few more FP32 cores by dropping all of the extra FP64 and FP16 capability that GP100 had in exchange for increasing to 3,840 FP32 cores. It's literally the EXACT same die as the TITAN XP, so it doesn't even really qualify as "full" in comparison to the TITAN.

Both are full GP102, but the Quadro sacrifices some things that the TITAN keeps in order to get its 3,840 FP32 core count. Not to mention the Quadro P6000 only has 9000mhz memory and a lower 432 GB/s bandwidth compared to the 10000mhz + 480 GB/s bandwidth on the TITAN X.

I don't quite understand your usage of the word "full chip."

Unquestionably, the full (as in fully functional) GP100 has 3,840 cores. The Tesla P100 uses a cut down GP100 chip with 56 out of 60 SM's active (making for 3,584 cores).

Unquestionably, the full GP102 has 3,840 cores as well. Titan X uses a cut down GP102 also featuring 56 out of 60 SM's active. Edit: I am probably wrong on that. The GP102 is mostly likely a +50% GP104, making it have 30 SM's with 128 FP32 units, 28 of them being active on Titan X.

The only cards that use a fully functional GPU are the P6000 and the GTX 1080. All other cards released or announced so far are cut down cards in one way or another.
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post #1852 of 3587
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I don't quite understand your usage of the word "full chip."

Unquestionably, the full (as in fully functional) GP100 has 3,840 cores. The Tesla P100 uses a cut down GP100 chip with 56 out of 60 SM's active (making for 3,584 cores).

Unquestionably, the full GP102 has 3,840 cores as well. Titan X uses a cut down GP102 also featuring 56 out of 60 SM's active.

The only cards that use a fully functional GPU are the P6000 and the GTX 1080. All other cards released or announced so far are cut down cards in one way or another.

Pretty much my thoughts as well while reading DarkIdeals's posts.

Personally am waiting (hoping) for a 1080 Ti with a fully enabled GP102, because for 1200 USD I'd at least want a full chip. I know the performance difference of an extra 256 cuda cores isn't going to be massive but it's principle. If I really am going to spend 1200 USD I want the best gaming chip out there, not a cut down version of it.
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post #1853 of 3587
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No, It's still GP102, not GP100 like he was claiming. He was saying that this TITAN was a fully cut down chip akin to a "GTX 570" instead of a 580. Which is nonsense, as even the full GP100 only has 3,584 active FP32 cuda cores; and this P6000 simply gains a few more FP32 cores by dropping all of the extra FP64 and FP16 capability that GP100 had in exchange for increasing to 3,840 FP32 cores. It's literally the EXACT same die as the TITAN XP, so it doesn't even really qualify as "full" in comparison to the TITAN.

Both are full GP102, but the Quadro sacrifices some things that the TITAN keeps in order to get its 3,840 FP32 core count. Not to mention the Quadro P6000 only has 9000mhz memory and a lower 432 GB/s bandwidth compared to the 10000mhz + 480 GB/s bandwidth on the TITAN X.

Don't be surprised if this Quadro turns out to have 256 cores (1 SM unit) disabled just like the Tesla P100 had; tech news is SERIOUSLY sloppy this generation, you can look at five different sites and get three different spec readouts for the same card. Nobody is reporting info correct lately.

The difference between 3,584 cores and 3,840 cores is literally next to nothing though. The larger the core count the less percent difference a small increase in cores gives (i.e. diminishing returns). For example, the 980 TI had 256 cores less than the original TITAN X maxwell card; (3072 on TITAN X and 2816 on 980 TI) but you saw a 3-5% difference at most. With a core count significantly larger of 3,584 vs 3,840 you will see even LESS difference between the two numbers. You're looking at maybe 2 - 2.5% or so...FAR from the difference between a GTX 570 and 580 lol. Not to mention Quadro's don't do nearly as well in, say Gaming and such.

GP100 was designed to have a fully functional 60 SMs with 3840 cores, so the current version used in Tesla P100 still isn't the full chip.

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/inside-pascal/

The only thing that Quadro P6000 seems to sacrifice so far is some memory speed, most likely to accommodate ECC. Btw except for GP100 where each SM only has 64 shaders, everything else in the lineup has 128 shaders per SM, not 256. Anandtech has a fairly good record of not reporting rubbish/fake information, so I'll take their word for it until I have reason to doubt otherwise.
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Full GP100 chip
16GB HBM2

$549-$599 since HBM is costly

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Any word on the outputs on this card yet? Is it using DP 1.4 and HDMI 2.1 outputs?

I saw it has a dual-dvi output which is kind of silly. If you are rocking a monitor with it's best input being a dual-DVI, this is not the GPU you are looking for.
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Any word on the outputs on this card yet? Is it using DP 1.4 and HDMI 2.1 outputs?

I saw it has a dual-dvi output which is kind of silly. If you are rocking a monitor with it's best input being a dual-DVI, this is not the GPU you are looking for.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/titan-x-pascal

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Nice, didn't know they already put that info out yet. So in theory getting a pair of them would leave you in position to support a 120hz 4k monitor if/when they ever come out.
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Full GP100 chip
16GB HBM2

$549-$599 since HBM is costly
son its time to return from lala land


unless you meant $1549-1599 and jsut forgot to type 1 tongue.gif
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It's not that I can afford a P6000, nor a Titan XP, but it as always it seems the Quadros aren't configured for gaming on the SOFTWARE side. Can't this be hacked? I remember long time ago the reverse was possible, to make a GTX identify as a Quadro

I felt out my spreadsheet BTW, trying to come up with some illustrative graphs and data
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son its time to return from lala land


unless you meant $1549-1599 and jsut forgot to type 1 tongue.gif

Honestly a full GP100 with 1/2 FP64 capability and 16GB HBM2 for $1549 would be tolerable.
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