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Well, I was really hoping Dell would release the 120Hz OLED 4K UHD display by now (in time for the new Pascal Titan X) but that is not the case.

Here's an 'update' on the Dell monitor: http://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Dells-New-30-4K-120Hz-UP3017Q-OLED-Monitor-Coming-Soon

It is highly unfortunate that the monitor supposedly uses USB Type-C and has no DP 1.3 or DP 1.4 connections! mad.gif

I sure hope Dell is changing it to DP 1.4 or at least DP 1.3 so that we can run 120Hz 4K UHD with just one cable.

A dual Titan X (Pascal) should technically run 4K UHD @ 120Hz quite well.

Only time will tell.

Some pics of the monitor (so sexy):

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Edited by Baasha - 7/27/16 at 11:56am
     
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Honestly a full GP100 with 1/2 FP64 capability and 16GB HBM2 for $1549 would be tolerable.
stop

you are already thinking like JHH wants you to think
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I would like to only pay <$650 for this hypothetical GP100, but that's beyond fantasy at this point.

We're never going to see the days of $500 for a full big die ever again, (unless AMDs pull another HD 5870 and way undercharges) that ship set sail with Kepler. Then with 16nm FF still being new, yields for a 610mm² chip can't be pretty, and nVidia is not interested in taking the hit themselves. Then throw in the cost of HBM2 and the added cost of having to junk a working die because some of the stacks were faulty. And consider they're "giving away" FP64 performance for a fraction of the cost of Teslas... Well you get the idea.

Maybe it's because I'd expect them to price such a card >$2000, so $1549 would be "tolerable".
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stop

you are already thinking like JHH wants you to think

I don't think the mindset is uncommon. Thinking relatively with respect to a short term span of time, it does not seem so bad.
post #1865 of 3587
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

I would like to only pay <$650 for this hypothetical GP100, but that's beyond fantasy at this point.

We're never going to see the days of $500 for a full big die ever again, (unless AMDs pull another HD 5870 and way undercharges) that ship set sail with Kepler. Then with 16nm FF still being new, yields for a 610mm² chip can't be pretty, and nVidia is not interested in taking the hit themselves. Then throw in the cost of HBM2 and the added cost of having to junk a working die because some of the stacks were faulty. And consider they're "giving away" FP64 performance for a fraction of the cost of Teslas... Well you get the idea.

Maybe it's because I'd expect them to price such a card >$2000, so $1549 would be "tolerable".

I agree with your analysis, but there is another element.

Realistically, we set the price, though. It has nothing to do with competition under normal distributions of products. I have seen many a person complain about NV pricing, then only to say "If AMD were competitive, then I would get a lower price on the next NV product." Then, said person goes out and buys the product they complained about, and justifies the price to themselves and the people on the forums. In the next release, the process continues.

This is the underlying element that defines how we got to where we are. If it were only process changes, we would have seen a cheaper Titan X on super mature 28nm.

I'm not sure how we believe the market owes us a disruptor to keep pricing down. It actually bothers me that someone linked to JHH telling us that "competition sets the price for TXP" and believed that he was being "helpful" as the CEO of the corporation selling the product.

What right does he have to tell us what his price will be and stand on it?

We, the gaming community built his company.. without us where would he be?
post #1866 of 3587
$1200 is waaaaay too much.
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Honestly a full GP100 with 1/2 FP64 capability and 16GB HBM2 for $1549 would be tolerable.

Huh? You fall and hit your head or something?
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I agree with your analysis, but there is another element.

Realistically, we set the price, though. It has nothing to do with competition under normal distributions of products. I have seen many a person complain about NV pricing, then only to say "If AMD were competitive, then I would get a lower price on the next NV product." Then, said person goes out and buys the product they complained about, and justifies the price to themselves and the people on the forums. In the next release, the process continues.

This is the underlying element that defines how we got to where we are. If it were only process changes, we would have seen a cheaper Titan X on super mature 28nm.

I'm not sure how we believe the market owes us a disruptor to keep pricing down. It actually bothers me that someone linked to JHH telling us that "competition sets the price for TXP" and believed that he was being "helpful" as the CEO of the corporation selling the product.

What right does he have to tell us what his price will be and stand on it?

We, the gaming community built his company.. without us where would he be?

Yeah good luck with that, it's a never-ending vicious cycle:
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A: "Stop buying these overpriced cut down cards, you're telling nVidia it's ok to keep charging more, and YOU'RE the problem."
B: "How DARE YOU tell me how to spend MY MONEY, I'll do whatever I damn please. If you can't afford it or don't like it then don't buy it. Or get a better education and a better job."

Realistically, market demand sets the price. In a duopoly, if one company doesn't perform, what do you think happens to the demand for the other company's products?

I said as much that if we were to blame AMD, then the consumers share at least half the blame. But that's just not how real life works. Plus the "don't like it don't buy it" approach only works if the majority is on board. Not happening any time soon.
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Huh? You fall and hit your head or something?

More like depressed because the high end GPU segment is just totally screwed up right now.
Edited by magnek - 7/27/16 at 1:30pm
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Some pics of the monitor (so sexy):
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$5000 for an 120Hz OLED 4K UHD 30" display or just pick up a OLED Curved 4K 55" TV for half the price...
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Yeah good luck with that, it's a never-ending vicious cycle:
Realistically, market demand sets the price. In a duopoly, if one company doesn't perform, what do you think happens to the demand for the other company's products?

I said as much that if we were to blame AMD, then the consumers share at least half the blame. But that's just not how real life works. Plus the "don't like it don't buy it" approach only works if the majority is on board. Not happening any time soon.

Note that I did not say "Don't like it, don't buy it".. I am simply stating it is a problem when people just take it lying down. People don't express their discontent with their purchases, but instead, justify them and in that, justify the company's pricing position.

No, market demand can only play a small element. If the demand were high for %5 of the product market, is the supply-demand argument justified? No, it can not be because it would take a perfect distribution of similar products in a said market to meet supply-demand. This a niche item, in a niche market. Being in a duopoly is their own reasoning for explaining the pricing of their own products.

Think about all the refunds and returns of unhappy customers for the GTX 970. If people took it lying down, and justified their purchases after learning of the 3.5GB scandal, as small or large of an issue as it may have been, NV would have not have said or done anything.

I'll bet you the same thing happened with the GTX 1060, they were probably going to release a 1060 3GB card for 249, but decided to change their tune based on the noise.

We have all of the rights. We tell NV what to do, which is why it is good that we say "1200 is too much".. the only outcomes will be:

1. They ignore us until we are mad about the price.
2. They change their price after ignoring us and making us discontent, or without ignoring us.

The power is with us, not them.
Edited by junkman - 7/27/16 at 1:47pm
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