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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/26.html
^ Titan X is only ~25-30% over 980 stock vs stock .. 30%+ at best

3072 / 2048 = x1.5 more cores = 30% more perf
3584 / 2560 = x1.4 more cores = ~25% more perf


Math never lies smile.gif


Jesus you need to go back to school lol. I just showed all kinds of proof that the TITAN X maxwell was 35-40% faster than the 980 on average. And of course you ignore it. You also ignore the fact that there's an identical core difference and try the nonsense percentage based math as others are trying to use. You lost an argument online, get over it; it's not the end of the world lol.
 
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Jesus you need to go back to school lol. I just showed all kinds of proof that the TITAN X maxwell was 35-40% faster than the 980 on average. And of course you ignore it. You also ignore the fact that there's an identical core difference and try the nonsense percentage based math as others are trying to use. You lost an argument online, get over it; it's not the end of the world lol.

Like you saying GPU Boost 3.0 can be disabled? wink.gif

But yeah, ChevChelios is a hardcore NVidia fanboy, losing an argument online isn't the end of the world for him, NVidia is.
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Nvidia aren't doing any SLI optimizations any more from DX12 onwards. The only SLI mode available is Explicit Mode. That means they are making game developers write for SLI. So that will go one of two ways.
  1. Game developers code for Explicit SLI (like benchmarks do now) and you ought to end up with excellent scaling as a result.
  2. Game developers don't write for SLI at all and you end up with nothing.

There is no middle ground.

What you won't get is the flakey situation we've had before (DX11 and earlier), which is developers write something that may or may not compatible with Implicit SLI and you end up with games that scale to varying degrees if they don't fall over or glitch.

Nvidia are trying to make SLI better both in terms of performance and reliability, but to do it, they are gambling that developers will code for two way SLI.

For us, it makes it a big gamble to buy that extra GPU as to whether or not DX12 games will be written for Explicit SLI.

That's only for 3 and 4 way. Nvidia is still doing full support for 2 way SLI even in DX12.
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Like you saying GPU Boost 3.0 can be disabled? wink.gif

But yeah, ChevChelios is a hardcore NVidia fanboy, losing an argument online isn't the end of the world for him, NVidia is.

Like how it CAN be disabled? lol. Seriously people, get some more knowledge. It's not that hard, software can do wonders i promise.

That's strange calling him a fanboy with the nonsensical math he's using right now. Perhaps he's just defending his 1080 purchase or something? But he's clearly biased against GP102 for some odd reason.
 
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The fact of the matter is, this TITAN X is STILL 1024 cores more than the x80 model; which is the EXACT same as the 1024 cores that the 3072 core Maxwell TITAN X had over the 2048 core 980.
56/40 < 48/32 (Click to show)
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Jesus you need to go back to school lol.

Please follow your own advice thumb.gif
Edited by Slomo4shO - 7/28/16 at 1:33pm
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That's only for 3 and 4 way. Nvidia is still doing full support for 2 way SLI even in DX12.
Like how it CAN be disabled? lol. Seriously people, get some more knowledge. It's not that hard, software can do wonders i promise.

That's strange calling him a fanboy with the nonsensical math he's using right now. Perhaps he's just defending his 1080 purchase or something? But he's clearly biased against GP102 for some odd reason.

You are as clueless as anyone can get, you don't even know what GPU 3.0 is, let me begin by telling you something it isn't, it's not a software solution, it's a hardware implementation deeply embedded into Pascal.

talks about knowledge while demonstrating sublime ignorance, can't expect more from someone who babbles around driven by brand rooted emotions mixed with ignorance, love it!
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56/40 < 48/32 (Click to show)

That Facepalm is not enough for this guy, you need something stronger.
Edited by Dargonplay - 7/28/16 at 1:36pm
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Anyone who says 20% over 1080 has NO clue what they are talking about. This will be ~35% over 1080 at stock pretty much guaranteed, and just like the 980 TI will get a MUCH larger boost from overclocking than the cut-down card gets. Remember when the TITAN X maxwell card came out? Even though the Maxwell TITAN X only started at 1000mhz base clock it could go all the way to 1,500mhz in many cases; nearly matching the average ~1,550mhz that the 980 usually reaches via overclocking. And it's basic math that the lower your STARTING clock speed the bigger the percentage you gain from each mhz you can overclock it. (i.e. going from 1000mhz to 1500mhz is a massive 50% boost! But going from 1,600mhz to 2,100mhz like the 1080 does is only 31% despite still being a 500mhz increase. This means that you are gonna see damn close to TWICE the overclocking benefit on this TITAN X than on the 1080. And the 1080 already got ~8-9fps increase even at 4K when overclocked to ~2,050 - 2,100mhz or so; so you're easily looking at ~14-16fps increase when overclocking this TITAN)

So if we take say 35% over 1080 which is a fair real world 4K increase especially due to the much larger 480 GB/s bandwidth on the 384 bit bus the TITAN has which is more beneficial at the larger resolution like 4K; and then add in an overclock from 1,400mhz where it starts to 1,900mhz where Nvidia has claimed it can hit; we are looking at a 36% higher clock speed, meaning likely around 28-30% performance gain.

That puts it at roughly 65% faster than 1080; and remember Tech of Tomorrow did those Witcher 3 tests at stock speeds, no overclock. So if we take the ~40fps average the 1080 got and factor in the 65% increase of an overclocked TITAN X we get 40 * 1.65 = 66fps. So no, it CAN do >60fps at 4K with all settings maxed when you overclock it. Even non overclocked you're looking at roughly 54fps average even with max hairworks etc..etc.. and Witcher 3 is basically the most graphically demanding game out there for GPUs so anything else will perform even better.
You specifically said that it was "like a GTX 570" with the full 3,840 card being like a 580. You were acting like it was a drastically cut down chip or something. I'm simply pointing out that even the full GP100 only uses 3584 cuda cores due to bad yields, so that's not a fair comparison to make. Especially with how we've already seen with like the 980 TI vs Maxwell TITAN X that a 256 core difference makes next to NO difference really; maybe a couple percent at most. And with a larger core count of 3584 vs 3840 instead of 2816 vs 3072 you see even LESS percent difference between the two than we did between the 980 TI and Maxwell TITAN X.

Plus the die sizes make the "570 vs 580" comparison even more wrong. The 570 and 580 didn't even use a full 600mm2 die either! They used a 520mm2 die size! The GTX 480 used a 529mm2 die and the tweaked for better heat/power consumption 580 that was more of an "efficiency enhanced 480" used a slightly shrunk down 520mm2 die size.

Hell, lets go even FARTHER back! Even the Nvidia 9800 GTX flagship only had a 324mm2 die size! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_series

This is why i'm saying that people complaining about the 478mm2 die size of the GP102 being "a ripoff cut-down chip" and saying that "in the past we would've gotten an x70 card with that kinda die size with the x80 being even bigger!" but that's simply not the case as even going back 10 years Nvidia NEVER made a 600mm2 die. The closest they've ever gotten in the past 10 years was the GTX 480 with 529mm2, which is still MUCH closer to the 478mm2 size of GP102 TITAN X than it is to the 601mm2 size of GP200/GK210 etc.. on the 780 TI and 980 TI. People are just trying to find any excuse to complain about a card they can't afford. (not talking about you in this last part for the record. Talking about others who commented back pages back near where you commented)

lol make my day


funny tho oced vs oced my 1080 @ 2126 is only 12.5% (ROUND DOWN to 10% for margin of error) faster than my 980 ti @ 1560 and thats on SYNTHETIC BENCHMARKS
Edited by zGunBLADEz - 7/28/16 at 1:54pm
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Jesus you need to go back to school lol. I just showed all kinds of proof that the TITAN X maxwell was 35-40% faster than the 980 on average. And of course you ignore it. You also ignore the fact that there's an identical core difference and try the nonsense percentage based math as others are trying to use. You lost an argument online, get over it; it's not the end of the world lol.

I linked to FIVE different reviews (Anandtech, TPU, Guru3D, HardOCP, Hexus), and in each, only in a few (or ONE) best case scenario(s) was the Titan X 40%+ faster than 980. The average was much closer to 35% than 40%. And no you've shown nothing besides blabbing about "proof".

As for your comment about percentages, let's say there's 4 GPUs with the following specs:

A: 11000 cores
B: 10000 cores
C: 2000 cores
D: 1000 cores

Between A and B vs C and D, in each the difference is only 1000 cores. But because C has twice the number of cores as D, it'll end up 2x faster, assuming perfect scaling.

Now are you going to sit here and tell me that GPU A will also be twice as fast as GPU B, simply because "there's an identical core difference"?
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just showed all kinds of proof that the TITAN X maxwell was 35-40% faster than the 980 on average.
TPU disagrees

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nonsense percentage based math as others are trying to use.
seriously ? biggrin.gif
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Should be about 30% faster than 1080. The chip got more ROPs and higher bandwidth but the cores are clocked low.
Shouldnt stop anyone from overclocking though
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Aah.. nothing like 200 pages of arguments about a product that is yet to be released and has no real reviews out. biggrin.gif
     
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