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Since you insist on those sites:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_34um95.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/lg_34um95/lag.png

Here's TFTC input lag for a bunch of monitors. Notice quite a few exceed 25ms, including the LG 34UM95.
You just proved my point: input lag is panel type agnostic.

That LG monitor is not representative of the panel type, resolution, refresh rate, or aspect ratio. It's simply a monitor with higher than average signal processing time, resulting in high input lag.
    
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You just proved my point: input lag is panel type agnostic.

That LG monitor is not representative of the panel type, resolution, refresh rate, or aspect ratio. It's simply a monitor with higher than average signal processing time, resulting in high input lag.

I never disagree with that?

All I said was I expect the first OLED monitors to be in the ~30ms input lag ranges. For crying out loud.
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Since you insist on those sites:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_34um95.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/lg_34um95/lag.png

Here's TFTC input lag for a bunch of monitors. Notice quite a few exceed 25ms, with the 34UM95 at 24ms.
some yes

but not the predator X34 as seen in the post above

it has 5.25 + 3.95
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some yes

but not the predator X34 as seen in the post above

it has 5.25 + 3.95

The brand new 3440x1440 monitors are faster, but when 3440x1440 first came out (34UM95, etc) the input lag was much higher. That's my point, the first OLED monitors are going to be on the "slow" side and improve overtime.

I think if people are really expecting 4K 120hz OLED monitors with .1ms input lag in the next year they are going to be disappointed. I think the absolute best we can hope for is about 25ms, which is still too high to be considered a competitive FPS monitor.
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Cmon, now. Response time is not the same as input lag. All OLEDs have a .1ms response time.

Input lag isn't even a specification that is usually provided by manufacturers and figures provided by reviews are not very precise as they vary from site to site due to differences in methodology deriving the figures.

You are basing your assertion of OLED refresh rates on OLED TVs without having any concrete data on OLED monitors. I challenge you to find input lag figures on OLED displays...
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The brand new 3440x1440 monitors are faster, but when 3440x1440 first came out (34UM95, etc) the input lag was much higher. That's my point, the first OLED monitors are going to be on the "slow" side and improve overtime.

I think if people are really expecting 4K 120hz OLED monitors with .1ms input lag in the next year they are going to be disappointed. I think the absolute best we can hope for is about 25ms, which is still too high to be considered a competitive FPS monitor.

I don't think anyone following tech close enough to expect an OLED monitor is really expecting a 0.1ms input lag unit, even the fastest TNs like the BenQ XL2730Z with 1ms pixel time have around 2ms input lag with instant mode.

I do expect the first decent OLED 144Hz panels to be near that number though, maxing out at 4ms.

4K 144Hz OLED HDR can't get here soon enough.
Edited by Dargonplay - 7/30/16 at 10:20am
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Input lag isn't even a specification that is usually provided by manufacturers and figures provided by reviews are not very precise as they vary from site to site due to differences in methodology deriving the figures.

You are basing your assertion of OLED refresh rates on OLED TVs without having any concrete data on OLED monitors. I challenge you to find input lag figures on OLED displays...

There are many devices that measure input lag, and most reviews do have the LG E6 at roughly 32ms and the previous EF9500 model at around 53ms. This is while in PC mode with all TV-type processing disabled.

I stated I think the first OLED monitors will still be around ~30ms input lag. Making an educated guess based on the current OLED displays we have is not a crime. You can agree with my assumptions or not, I never stated anything as a fact other than current OLEDs are not "competitive gaming" friendly.

This topic has gotten insanely off topic and quite frankly ridiculous that someone can't make a prediction without people jumping down their throats as if they are claiming facts.
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I don't think anyone following tech close enough to expect an OLED monitor is really expecting a 0.1ms input lag unit, even the fastest TNs like the BenQ XL2730Z with 1ms pixel time have around 4ms input lag with instant mode.

I do expect the first decent OLED 144Hz panels to be near that number though, maxing out at 4ms.

4K 144Hz OLED HDR can't get here soon enough.

I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't see a 4ms input lag OLED in the next year or even a <20ms one. Your going to need DP1.4 to get that resolution/refresh rate too, which current GPUs do not have.
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4K 144Hz OLED HDR can't get here soon enough.
Preach. Nothing beats HDR content.

Though i'm a bit wary of the limitations of OLED when it comes to HDR and the UHD standard. A lot of VA TV's already conform, but we've yet to see an OLED display do that. I hope they start producing them soon, so it can become mainstream quickly.

edit: i see now that the newest OLED models achieve peak brightness of 500+ cd/m^2, so nevermind
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I never disagree with that?

All I said was I expect the first OLED monitors to be in the ~30ms input lag ranges. For crying out loud.

I agree with you completely, the first 4K monitors were in the 30-40ms range as well.

First OLED monitors won't be optimized for competitive gaming and probably around the same as the current OLED TVs we have now.
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Preach. Nothing beats HDR content.

Though i'm a bit wary of the limitations of OLED when it comes to HDR and the UHD standard. A lot of VA TV's already conform, but we've yet to see an OLED display do that. I hope they start producing them soon, so it can become mainstream quickly.

edit: i see now that the newest OLED models achieve peak brightness of 500+ cd/m^2, so nevermind

Yeah, the 2016 models can do HDR fine and meet the UHD certification specs. The 2015 OLEDs, not so much.

My E6 measured 650 cd/m2 with my meter, though some sites have claimed up to ~800 or so under certain HDR situations.
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First OLED monitors won't be optimized for competitive gaming and probably around the same as the current OLED TVs we have now.

Exactly!

I'd love to be wrong here, but the first 4K OLEDs monitors are probably not going to be targeting gamers and it won't be until later until companies start optimizing for speed.

It's been the same thing when LCD first came out. Then again with 1440p. Then again with UltraWide monitors & 4K. I don't expect this pattern to change, especially given the fact OLED will still be a very premium and limited market for the next year or two.
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