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It's going to be a toaster with that crappy reference cooler if it's anything like the founders edition 1080.

Who cares? Most of us with the Titan X go aftermarket cooling.thumb.gif
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True, in that case, every gpu before it was blah/average...

But that actually is the case of almost every top tier GPU drop.
Weather its only better by .05% or xx%, its the better card.
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You're right. Listening to the pcper podcast, it sounded like they didn't have one. It looks like this thing might come out with no reviews at all on launch day. Not good......

During WAN show they stated they contacted nVidia but no one was answering them back, so Linus was talking bout just going to NCIX and buying one on launch day.
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It's going to be a toaster with that crappy reference cooler if it's anything like the founders edition 1080.
You have to have a uni at times like these...
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Who cares? Most of us with the Titan X go aftermarket cooling.thumb.gif

I just put my computer in another room entirely and have it at 100% fan while gaming. It sounds like a jet engine in there.
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I just put my computer in another room entirely and have it at 100% fan while gaming. It sounds like a jet engine in there.

thumb.gif it is all good with headphones on!
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All we have so far is the video release from Nvidia for legit info?
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It's really not that hard to figure out the timing of this release. Look who the target audience is: Folks who bought the original Titan X. It was launched in mid-March of last year. nVidia figures these folks are ready (and can afford) to upgrade after 16 months, and they're probably right! I predict the Titan XP will sell out within 30 minutes or less once they turn on the "Add to cart" button.

Good point. I know this is posted from 150 pages back but this thread is hauling so can't read it all. I wasn't originally intending to get this card but the more I look at it with an X currently, it is tempting.
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It's going to be even more interesting to find out how the card performs, mainly because no reviewers has it yet so we get to explore it together. tongue.gif
I wouldn't mind a review by Gamers Nexus though.
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True CPUs do last longer nowadays, but I don't feel the criticism is on the same level. You can go to any gaming forums, and whenever the TItan gets mentioned it's just full of people talking crap about it. If you mention you have a Titan, people like to call you out on wasting money, etc. But the guy with the $1500 processor in a gaming machine? No one says a thing. Maybe because processor models are less known amongst gaming communities?


Right now, Nvidia has way too much power and like the stunt that Intel pulled with the $1700 USD 6950X, is taking advantage of its monopoly power.

It was estimated that the original Kepler Titan probably cost Nvidia $150 USD to manufacture in parts, which meant that the profit margins for a $1000 USD GPU were huge. That doesn't take into account labor, distribution costs, R&D, marketing, and other costs, but the profit margins must have been huge. This is coming out of our pockets right now.

If anything, I'd say there is not enough anger at Nvidia. Until it starts costing them sales, we won't see anything change. You can bet that there's a good chance they will push back with a $1500 Titan knowing that there are enough people to buy it. It's all about the profits right now.

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I find this very worrying. Everything points to them sweeping this card under the rug very quickly.
- Exclusive to NVIDIA.com, seemingly forever. Has never happened to my knowledge.
- Basically the same title as the past titan, as if they didn't even bother to get a new name.
- Announced at a college, not at some well known event.
- Almost no advertisement, unless you actively follow hardware you would never know this existed - even after it launches. Most people won't know there's two different Titan X, and I bet lots of people will accidentally buy the old Titan X.
- Seems like if you want to get one on Day 1, you are going to need to buy blind if NDA lifts at same time, or risk waiting until next stock. Has this ever been the case?


That's because this Titan X Pascal won't have a long shelf life. Think about it - their next GPU, Volta, according to their own roadmap is going to have a GPU that will be a new architecture, perhaps a big a shift from Fermi to Kepler that will be fully asynchronous, like AMD's GPUs.

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Honestly, I think they just need to get some patterns in their releases.

If it was my business:
- I would release the Titan first. This makes sense, as it means more people will buy your flagship.
- After a month or so, I would release the "non-Ti" versions for your average gamers.
- After half a year or so, I would release the "Ti" versions with the top end one being similar performance to the Titan at a lower cost.
- After another half a year or so, we'd be back to releasing the next Titan and the cycle would repeat.

To me this fixes many of the problems, people know exactly what the "top" card is for the year. There would be no need to second guess your purchase, as you'd know exactly whats happening in the future. However, I think NVIDIA does this on purpose. No patterns, and complex out of the blue releases means more impulse buys and double dips.
It's going to sell out before those notifications get sent I bet.

The problem is that they may not be able to get the large flagship die first. With new processes these days, after Fermi, both Nvidia and AMD have been releasing small to medium sized dies first and then larger dies.

Nvidia did so after their Fermi disaster, quietly adopting AMD's strategy. It gives them time to iron out the issues for the big die, which is an engineering challenge.

Another reason may be that die yields simply do not allow this to happen at first. Processes are getting harder.
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Right now, Nvidia has way too much power and like the stunt that Intel pulled with the $1700 USD 6950X, is taking advantage of its monopoly power.

It was estimated that the original Kepler Titan probably cost Nvidia $150 USD to manufacture in parts, which meant that the profit margins for a $1000 USD GPU were huge. That doesn't take into account labor, distribution costs, R&D, marketing, and other costs, but the profit margins must have been huge. This is coming out of our pockets right now.

If anything, I'd say there is not enough anger at Nvidia. Until it starts costing them sales, we won't see anything change. You can bet that there's a good chance they will push back with a $1500 Titan knowing that there are enough people to buy it. It's all about the profits right now.
That's because this Titan X Pascal won't have a long shelf life. Think about it - their next GPU, Volta, according to their own roadmap is going to have a GPU that will be a new architecture, perhaps a big a shift from Fermi to Kepler that will be fully asynchronous, like AMD's GPUs.

No way on earth I'd buy a $1500 Titan unless it was at least double my current card, and a huge gap between the second best card on the market. It'd also need a better cooler by default, because the reference cooler seems pretty stupid even at $1200. I could see $1500 happening, especially with HBM2 but I do not think the card will sell very well at all.
Edited by Murlocke - 7/31/16 at 9:11pm
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