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Without going too far off topic, I'll just say this.

There is a reason why Toyota shares are $54.86 and Ferrari shares are $42.89.

If they lower the price to something a bit more affordable, they will make less profit per card, but they will also sell more cards which in some cases gives them more profit. 

Obviously I'm not saying they should sell the new Titan X for $200, but $1200 is ridiculous.

Nvidia don't just sells high end cards though, thus the Ferrari comp is invalid, the X60 and X50 line are competitive products that do much to increase Nvidia market share like the Corolla line does for Toyota (a large part of it is currently proppred up by 960, 950 and 750Ti, with 1060 joining the party and 1050 to come)
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Without going too far off topic, I'll just say this.

There is a reason why Toyota shares are $54.86 and Ferrari shares are $42.89.

If they lower the price to something a bit more affordable, they will make less profit per card, but they will also sell more cards which in some cases gives them more profit. 

Obviously I'm not saying they should sell the new Titan X for $200, but $1200 is ridiculous.

Yes but nVidia sells both low end and high end, which Ferrari doesn't. They have a large base to sell low end to mid end, and now they're offering a "mid end" card like the 1070 which is very fast, a 1080 still faster and they're releasing a gold-plated Titan X for those that can afford it, they don't care if they sell few cards to gamers because they will sell more to datacenters or sciencie applications, still Titan X won't be the base of their profit, Titan X will be the "special edition" of Pascal GDDR5, it's a niche product
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It would be only founders edition.

So really, this is actually a good deal considering the cooler is worth $150 minimum.

I kid of course.
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Bummer. Even under water these things are going to be quite power limited on overclock.

Average overclocked 1080's draw about 200W to 210W, with the theroretical maximim of 225W.

The Titan XP is rated at 250W with a theoretical maximum of 300W. More likely than not, it'll have a power cutoff around 275W. 275W is only 30% more power than 210W. This card appears to have it's power consumption linearly scaled up from the 1080. Considering it's running at a base and boost clock of 1417Mhz/1531Mhz, you'll probably hit a power limit wall at 1700Mhz or 1800Mhz. Even if the chip was capable of doing 2000Mhz under water, you wont have the power unless you go to a custom bios.
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This card seems pointless if you arn't putting it under water, cause the pascal cooler struggles with the 1080, it's got no hope with this card.

It's all a bout the water cooling man. These babies will have to learn to swim in my rig smile.gif
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The only game I wanted to play under 4K was Witcher 3 and managed to do it with 290X. There is no game that is coming out in the next 1 year that I even remotely need better hardware to play.
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Extremely odd way to announce a card, via twitter out of nowhere on a thursday night at an AI meetup
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Feeding the beast that is GP102 is a 384-bit GDDR5X memory bus. NVIDIA will be running Titan X’s GDDR5X at the same 10Gbps as on GTX 1080, so we’re looking at a straight-up 50% increase in memory bus size and resulting memory bandwidth, bringing Titan X to 480GB/sec.

The Titan XP has 50% more memory bandwidth than the GTX 1080. The Titan XP only has 40% more cores than the GTX 1080. Comparatively, the Titan XP will have more memory bandwidth per core than the GTX 1080.

If the 1080 didn't need HBM, the Titan doesn't need it either.
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I think that's kind of the point. nVidia has been able to release a much faster product over their previous generation, WITHOUT having to resort to HMB2. They didn't neeed it. They released a good product at very competitive prices (except for Titan X price). While AMD is still trying to figure out HMB2, nV is reaping the most benefits it has with better GPUs and existing memory interfaces. Everybody's whining about why it doesn't have HMB2 like the new Teslas (I just read about it) when they didn't frankly needed it. They're gonna milk the GDDR5/X cow as much as they can, sell some Titan X to bleeding edge lovers with a lot of money while AMD takes the hit and hopes HMB2 will make up for their slow releases. They're probably letting the tech mature, the manufacturing become cheaper, and then adopt it. The HMB2 only seems to make sense to nVidia in the highest segment with Teslas where people don't see the pricetag.

It may be something similar to x64 in the old days. Intel said "meh" while AMD came up with the tech and soon catched up and surpassed Intel. Intel then adopted the tech and eventually wiped the floor from AMD again...

now that I think about it.

Nvidia not allowing more than 2 SLI with Pascal is pretty smart considering HBM shows its true benefits in a scenario with more than 2 GPUs. thumb.gif


Gotta be honest though. I didn't expect the new Titan to be out in August. I thought Nov/Dec. Price is about what I expected considering there is zero competition, but I also expected it to have more cuda cores.

Nvidia cards are great if you have money, not so much if you'd don't. I would love to have a new Titan, but I'd hate myself if I paid 1200$ for it.

What do Nvidia enthusiast early adopters think about it releasing so shortly after the GTX 1080 ? Are you mad that you bought a GTX 1080 and 2 months later the new Titan comes out? Do you don't care and buy everything Nvidia brings out? Are you okay with it and selling your GTX 1080? Do you think the price is "fair"?
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Okay. This is awful. This is so many forms of awful that I need to use bullet points:

  • The name. It has already been used. This would be like saying every series is the 700 series or whatever.
  • MSRP. It is now 20% higher than it has been in the past.
  • The GPU itself. I can all but guarantee those 3584 CUDA cores aren't all of them and that it has 3840 in total like GP100.
  • If it's missing CUDAs, we'll probably see a second Titan Black-like release for another $1200 to get the full GPU.
  • (Probably) no FP16, FP64, or HBM. I can all but guarantee that this is GP100 with all of those goodies stripped out. Why?
  • It's all about profit margins. This is a gaming GPU, no more, no less, and cutting out fancy features makes a cheaper die.


The original Titan was marketed as (and gained some popularity) as a kind of Quadro-lite workstation GPU with GK110's full FP64 capabilities. The Titan X (the first one) didn't have FP64, but then again neither did GM200 in general. So what about the new Titan X?

It's a gaming GPU. We know this because Nvidia made an entirely new die, GP102, for it. It's not a workstation card. It's retaining the four-figure price tag. And it's the same "tier" of GPU as, say, a GTX 280. Or 480. Or 580. It's the highest end gaming GPU in a given series, something that has traditionally been $650 at an absolute maximum (and even then only the Fury X and 280 have been that expensive in a long time).

And above all, they didn't even have the decency to wait. We're getting this three months after the 1080 launched (for $700) rather than six months for the Titan X after the 980 and nearly a full year for the OG Titan after the 680. Nvidia, apparently, wants their customers to double-dip and spend $1900 ($3800 for SLI) on flagships this generation. I wonder when we'll start seeing the aftermarket 1080Tis that outperform this thing? rolleyes.gif
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