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Wait, does this beat 1080 SLI? trying to get my head around the pricing...being that it's almost double. I guess we don't know yet...

Not likely
 
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Kind of? The Titan has, since Kepler, been the first release of the highest-end chip (GK110, GM200, and now GP102), after the mid-range chip (GK104, GM204, and now GP104) had launched between 3 and 11 months earlier. The cut-down, cheaper-but-95%-as-good "Titan-lite" like the 780 and 980Ti is to be expected at this point, of course, but it's using the same chip as the Titan.
No, of course not. I don't expect sudden price cuts and the Titan to assume that price. What I was expecting was more of a gap between those releases, and time for some price drops on the existing GPUs as well as the stock to stabilize enough for the actual MSRP of $600 to be common. A cursory glance of Newegg shows that the 1080 is still $650 minimum - 980Ti and Fury X territory - and the 1070 is $410.

The thing is, the gap between the 680 and OG Titan had a reason. Yields were terrible. Apparently Nvidia tried to launch the 680 as GK100, but they couldn't get enough of them in time for launch. It took a year before we saw GK110, a revised version that still had yield issues, at all and even then it had an SMX unit disabled. As for the 980 to the Titan X, I'm not really sure why we had the wait, but a 601mm2 die can't have good yields and they probably needed all the time they could get.

And now, with the Titan X 2.0? Three months. That's not enough to work out any major kinks. This should have launched with the rest of the 1000 series in the first place, just like GF100 launched with the 480 and 400 series, and GF110 with the 580 and the 500 series, G80 with the 8800GTX and the 8 series, and GT200 with the 280 and 200 series.

Maybe Huang forgot to release it 3 months ago, now he shows up in a small classroom and pulls it out of his pocket like "hey, what we got here... ahhh it's Titan X, you KNOW Titan X right? "
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What's unbelievable is that people will rush out and buy these overpriced cards. It's these people who can't think beyond their own selfish epeen and cause both Nvidia and AMD to raise prices because they know these people will throw their money at anything.

I don't think your complaints are warranted. The issue isn't price as much as competition. Why complain about 200K$ Lamborghinis being sold as long as there are affordable mustangs and BMWs that do the trick? the real complaint is that we have no alternative beyond the 1060 GTX.

The way I see it AMD is currently catering to the sub $300 mass market, which forces nVidia to release its 1060/1050 GTX quickly and at a lower price point. On the flip nVidia is charging record highs for its 300 mm^2 1080 GTX since AMD isn't competing with it.

These are the same market forces at play since the early 2000s (when I became an engineer and could afford this hobby). Nothing really changed. If you don't have any competition in your segment you raise the price since you have a monopoly anyway. Right now 1080 GTX and its larger variant (now branded) the Titan X are uncontested and so they'll be expensive. When the 7970 first launched it was uncontested, and it was priced accordingly.

If we should complain, it should be about blind brand loyalty. Even if Vega was 15% faster and 15% cooler and consumed 15% less power than the 1080 GTX and had the same price tag, people would still buy the nvidia card. Even when AMD creamed nvidia's offering it still barely reached 50% market share. We're the ones creating a monopoly.. and we're the ones driving the insane preorder then fail launches by the big publishers.

For the past 4 years we've seen the beginnings of nVidia's monopoly.. and it stinks as much as intels.
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Wait, does this beat 1080 SLI? trying to get my head around the pricing...being that it's almost double. I guess we don't know yet...

2560*2 > 3584*1 tongue.gif

Based on the cores, it should be 40% faster than a 1080, which is just stupidly good. Based on scaling with more cores, it will be a bit less but roughly 35%. And based on clockspeed, it can go either way - I have no idea how many more of less jiggahertz this will have than the 1080, though my gut feeling is a bit less.
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What's unbelievable is that people will rush out and buy these overpriced cards. It's these people who can't think beyond their own selfish epeen and cause both Nvidia and AMD to raise prices because they know these people will throw their money at anything.
lol on what other enthusiast forum are just registered just to tell people "I'm sorry I don't have that kind of money to spend so I'm gonna call you morons for buying it"
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2560*2 > 3584*1 tongue.gif

Based on the cores, it should be 40% faster than a 1080, which is just stupidly good. Based on scaling with more cores, it will be a bit less but roughly 35%. And based on clockspeed, it can go either way - I have no idea how many more of less jiggahertz this will have than the 1080, though my gut feeling is a bit less.

being that it's 17% more cores than Titan XM and 40% faster core clock, only 25% more memory bandwidth might hold it back.
Edited by Klocek001 - 7/22/16 at 7:23am
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only if Huang personally gifts me one thumb.gif
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only if Huang personally gifts me one thumb.gif
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of course not. It's maybe 30% faster. Probably less.

My bet is on 25% faster than GTX 1080
Have you seen Jhen Sung. He is ripped. I better avoid fighting him. If he is as ruthless in combat as he is in pricing GPUs then he would rip The Rock apart before breakfast. thumb.gif

Huang... Jen Hsun... Jhen Sung... I love how we all mispell his name or put his name incompletely hahahaha
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People please stop comparing videos cards to cars.

You CAN'T do that. Cars have much more "variables" that make them good/bad than video cards. The main indicator for a good GPU is performance (in relation to price and power usage).
That doesn't go for cars that much. Sure more horse power is great, but there is much more to cars than that. You can't define a car by horse power. If horse power alone would be the most important factor than Porsche wouldn't be the greatest car manufacturer in the world
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People please stop comparing videos cards to cars.

You CAN'T do that. Cars have much more "variables" that make them good/bad than video cards. The main indicator for a good GPU is performance (in relation to price and power usage).
That doesn't go for cars that much. Sure more horse power is great, but there is much more to cars than that. You can't define a car by horse power. If horse power alone would be the most important factor than Porsche wouldn't be the greatest car manufacturer in the world

Porsche? Aren't Veyrons much more powerful? Pfffft
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Porsche? Aren't Veyrons much more powerful? Pfffft

yeah bugattis have like 1200-1500 horse power, but they can't match a GT3 RS on track that is like 1/10th of a bugattis price biggrin.gif
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What's unbelievable is that people will rush out and buy these overpriced cards. It's these people who can't think beyond their own selfish epeen and cause both Nvidia and AMD to raise prices because they know these people will throw their money at anything.
lol on what other enthusiast forum are just registered just to tell people "I'm sorry I don't have that kind of money to spend so I'm gonna call you morons for buying it"

That's right, I registered on these boards four years before you just to call people moron for buying an overpriced video card :rolleyes: 

 

Edit: I've been poasting here for six years already? Unbelievable how fast time flies.

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