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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post

Without going too far off topic, I'll just say this.

There is a reason why Toyota shares are $54.86 and Ferrari shares are $42.89.

If they lower the price to something a bit more affordable, they will make less profit per card, but they will also sell more cards which in some cases gives them more profit. 

Obviously I'm not saying they should sell the new Titan X for $200, but $1200 is ridiculous.
Read your post and then like three pages after it :/ Seems like everyone just wants to defend a $1200 card and not understand what you are saying. If all Nvidia cards were priced lower (hell, compariable to previous years same tier cards), then they would sell more, which would be more profits generated by moving greater volume.

The problem with analogies on the internet is people ignore the point you were making and start coming back with "Well, nvidia stock is better than Ferrari and almost at Toyota level, so you don't know what you're talking about". The 'ole pick something from their response that doesn't have to do with the topic and bash it to the ground to somehow make your argument valid. 60% of the time, it works everytime. thumb.gif
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So where are all the people saying "I was living in a dreamland" and we wouldn't see another high-end gpu from Nvidia until next year? Come eat your Crow.
 
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The problem with analogies on the internet is people ignore the point you were making and start coming back with "Well, nvidia stock is better than Ferrari and almost at Toyota level, so you don't know what you're talking about". The 'ole pick something from their response that doesn't have to do with the topic and bash it to the ground to somehow make your argument valid. 60% of the time, it works everytime. thumb.gif
Except that is not what people were saying at all. The point is Nvidia like Toyota offers a wide range of products from inexpensive to luxury. Ferrari only offers a luxury product. He was saying Nvidia should be more like Toyota, and the point is they already are...

They have and continue to have products for mass market appeal as does AMD. Today's high end product becomes tomorrow's mainstream product in the GPU space. I don't think $1200 is a good price, but it is the price they set. I do think the Toyota/Ferrari analogy was terrible though.

In fact the first three responses to that quote said absolutely nothing about the stock price...

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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post

Without going too far off topic, I'll just say this.

There is a reason why Toyota shares are $54.86 and Ferrari shares are $42.89.

If they lower the price to something a bit more affordable, they will make less profit per card, but they will also sell more cards which in some cases gives them more profit. 

Obviously I'm not saying they should sell the new Titan X for $200, but $1200 is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by CasualCat View Post

And Nvidia is still closer to Toyota than Ferrari (I hate car analogies in computers...) as they have a range of products from ultra high end/high end (Lexus ) to mid/low end (Toyota ).

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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

Nvidia don't just sells high end cards though, thus the Ferrari comp is invalid, the X60 and X50 line are competitive products that do much to increase Nvidia market share like the Corolla line does for Toyota (a large part of it is currently proppred up by 960, 950 and 750Ti, with 1060 joining the party and 1050 to come)

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Yes but nVidia sells both low end and high end, which Ferrari doesn't. They have a large base to sell low end to mid end, and now they're offering a "mid end" card like the 1070 which is very fast, a 1080 still faster and they're releasing a gold-plated Titan X for those that can afford it, they don't care if they sell few cards to gamers because they will sell more to datacenters or sciencie applications, still Titan X won't be the base of their profit, Titan X will be the "special edition" of Pascal GDDR5, it's a niche product


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Read your post and then like three pages after it :/ Seems like everyone just wants to defend a $1200 card and not understand what you are saying. If all Nvidia cards were priced lower (hell, compariable to previous years same tier cards), then they would sell more, which would be more profits generated by moving greater volume.

The problem with analogies on the internet is people ignore the point you were making and start coming back with "Well, nvidia stock is better than Ferrari and almost at Toyota level, so you don't know what you're talking about". The 'ole pick something from their response that doesn't have to do with the topic and bash it to the ground to somehow make your argument valid. 60% of the time, it works everytime. thumb.gif

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Read your post and then like three pages after it :/ Seems like everyone just wants to defend a $1200 card and not understand what you are saying. If all Nvidia cards were priced lower (hell, compariable to previous years same tier cards), then they would sell more, which would be more profits generated by moving greater volume.

The problem with analogies on the internet is people ignore the point you were making and start coming back with "Well, nvidia stock is better than Ferrari and almost at Toyota level, so you don't know what you're talking about". The 'ole pick something from their response that doesn't have to do with the topic and bash it to the ground to somehow make your argument valid. 60% of the time, it works everytime. thumb.gif

Why would you produce more to get more when you can already get more when producing less. Economics has its quirks too.
 
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Does it say anywhere when this is releasing? I don't really care about price:performance ratio. I just know that my Titan X isn't handling 4K very well, and I don't want to go SLI nor go back to 1440p.
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So where are all the people saying "I was living in a dreamland" and we wouldn't see another high-end gpu from Nvidia until next year? Come eat your Crow.

Everyone is still right about an HBM product not being available for quite a while.

It is actually not surprising they release a downclocked, cut-down, GDDR5X version of GP100.

But the surprise comes that likely no one would have expected a "Titan" branded GDDR5X part 2-3 months after the GTX 1080 launch and release.
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Does it say anywhere when this is releasing? I don't really care about price:performance ratio. I just know that my Titan X isn't handling 4K very well, and I don't want to go SLI nor go back to 1440p.

August 2.
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August 2.

Great, will be picking one up. Now to debate if I should buy a 6700k now or wait for the 7700k. My 3770k is still a champ in most games.

At this price range, doubting they sell off the shelves like the 1080.
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The people here saying others are salty or jealous and blasting the pricing because "they can't afford it" are beyond ignorant. Tons of people on this very thread could get one if they wanted on launch, myself included. However, after two Titan models and seeing history repeat itself, some of us are a bit wiser than to rush and pay 1k, let alone 1.2k for a card that will outclassed in less than a year by something likely half it's price. Especially now that this isn't even really a chip worthy of the Titan name as far as specs go - let alone looking at how the OG titan is performing these days.

It's like some people literally just don't care about the market going further out of control each year. New tech is supposed to replace old tech at similar prices or reasonable price increases (if justified with enough of a performance advantage over the competion - $600gpu vs $500 for example). Yet many here see advances as technology as synonymous with faster = more expensive because it's faster. This is not how a market like this, or for that matter any market works.
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you cant mean that lachen.gif

HBM2 is just 3 letters and a number, end performance is the most important thing, at 160% you would be drooling over it rolleyes.gif

true 160% would be pretty strong.

the new Titan X is 25-35% faster than GTX 1080. Even with HBM2 it would only be 30-38% faster.

A 160% faster new Titan X with GDDR5X over a GTX 1080 definitively sounds better than a 30-38% faster Titan X with HBM2.

But the reality is that the card is not 60% faster than a GTX 1080.

People have to decide for themselves, but I genuinely think that the card is way overprice, even for Nvidias standards.

1200$ for a cut card that is probably "just" 25-35% faster than a GTX 1080.

It doesn't sound right. If you have more brass than brains go for it, but if you need to take a credit/loan that money from someone I know I wouldn't do it. Turning settings a tad higher is not worth it to pay 1200$ for a product that might be bettered pretty fast.

But the card is going to sell well and sell out in the US like all Nvidia cards do.

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Why are people so obsessed about HBM2? It doesn't matter if it's HBM2 or GDDR5 or running mice on steroids. What ends up mattering is the performance and features, It's not like the damn cards are upgradeable and by having GDDR5X you're gonna bottleneck a future GPU chip, so yeah you have to think of better memory for the long run. This ain't the case. Would you buy the card if it used quantum computing but yielded 10% of the performance?

My reasoning is that at this price point you expect the best of the best. Lots of us were expecting the 1080 series of cards to have HMB2, when it was leaked/announced that they would have GDDR5x most of us thought "well the titan/X80ti will have HBM2". Now the titan is being announced with GDDR5x, and yes, I am disappointed. I will not buy a Titan/x80ti without HBM2, it SHOULD have HBM2 on board and the price would allow for it.
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