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No. The 1080 Ti will have 3200 cores with 12GB vanilla GDDR5, priced at $750/$900. A few months after that, we'll get the Titan XXX Black with the full 3840 and 24GB GDDR5X for $1723. There will be a new cooler, but in reality it's just a rebranded OG Titan cooler with an engraving of JHH's signature. You'll get a complimentary faux leather jacket in the box (retail value $10). There will be no 780 Ti analog - only 780, Titan and Titan Black.

1080 8GB GDDR5X and 1080 Ti only vanilla GDDR5? that doesn't sound right.
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1080's are $1,000 Canadian and will be knocked off the throne before many stores up here even have them in stock. Screw GPUs. I'm not spending $1,000-$1500 on something that'll be considered out of date in under a year. For the money some of you guys are spending on cards that are current for months at a time you could be putting together audio systems that'd be awesome for Decades. I'm not saying that that's how you Should spend your disposable cash, I'm just saying that at these prices and with such quick turnarounds between gens, I'm losing interest in getting any of the high end cards. There seem to be better 'investments' even in a conversation about blowing money.
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1080's are $1,000 Canadian and will be knocked off the throne before many stores up here even have them in stock. Screw GPUs. I'm not spending $1,000-$1500 on something that'll be considered out of date in under a year. For the money some of you guys are spending on cards that are current for months at a time you could be putting together audio systems that'd be awesome for Decades. I'm not saying that that's how you Should spend your disposable cash, I'm just saying that at these prices and with such quick turnarounds between gens, I'm losing interest in getting any of the high end cards. There seem to be better 'investments' even in a conversation about blowing money.

While I understand the thinking behind this it is embarrassing when I catch myself thinking this way. This is nothing but worrying about E-peen. Why does a better one coming out make your current one worthless?

Never buy any technology with the idea of "investment", if you do not need the performance now do not buy it now. Only if you need the performance now, and can afford it, should you buy it. If you wait three months there will be a better option available, always.

The rate of GPU releases is not speeding up, the turnaround between gens has been a similarly rapid upgrade cycle since I got my first Voodoo 1, with only small pauses once in a while.
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So all we need is Amd to release a Vega card that is between 1080 and Titan XP in performance with 9gb HBM2 for $800. I'd be game if it didn't have a hideous AIO cooler. Problem is AMD will either release something that's on par with a 1080 or it will take too long and I'll end up buying something else. Typical Amd.

HBM2 comes in 8GB configurations, 9GB would be impossible.
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Well, assuming that Fury X had no bottlenecks anywhere, given its increased core count, it should've been roughly 45% faster than a 390x (4096/2816), however that difference in real world is more like 19-20% at 4K as per TPU charts Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
. If Vega removes said bottlenecks from the architecture, and has the same specs without any other changes, it would be 45% faster than a 390x, they are both running at the exact same frequencies - 1050 MHz on the core. So that's 145% 390x from removing architecture bottlenecks on the same clock speeds. Now, If they manage to improve the performance per clock by, say, 20% on top of that, and another 30% from additional clock speed increases coming from 16nm FINFET (although they state 65% if they went for clock speed alone), that would put a 4096 core Vega at roughly 227% of 390x's performance. That would put it at about 42% faster than a reference 1080 on 4k.

Given what we've seen from the GCN iterations so far, even 10% would be a very optimistic estimate, and 20% is just unrealistic.

As far as clocks go, they might get higher if they switch to TSMC's process, but if they use GF's 14nm LPP for Vega, then once again I don't think Vega will clock very high, if Polaris is any indication.

Overall, my projection for Vega is still around 1080 level, until I see further evidence otherwise.
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Well, assuming that Fury X had no bottlenecks anywhere, given its increased core count, it should've been roughly 45% faster than a 390x (4096/2816), however that difference in real world is more like 19-20% at 4K as per TPU charts Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
. If Vega removes said bottlenecks from the architecture, and has the same specs without any other changes, it would be 45% faster than a 390x, they are both running at the exact same frequencies - 1050 MHz on the core. So that's 145% 390x from removing architecture bottlenecks on the same clock speeds. Now, If they manage to improve the performance per clock by, say, 20% on top of that, and another 30% from additional clock speed increases coming from 16nm FINFET (although they state 65% if they went for clock speed alone), that would put a 4096 core Vega at roughly 227% of 390x's performance. That would put it at about 42% faster than a reference 1080 on 4k.


Theoretical performance =/= real life performance.


Fury X wont be 45% faster than 390X.


4096 cores wont be 227% faster than 390X. I think we all should stop hyping AMD unrelease product. For once.
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Pass. I was looking forward to switching to a single card that could support 3440x1440 maxing out my games, but the price tag and no HBM2 memory are not worth it. I'll save some money and wait another year.

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As a Titan its suppose to:


1) Comes with HBM, and has 12 GB at least
2) If it comes with G5X, should have 24 GB
3) Should be full blown 3840 cores if it doesnt have DP compute
4) If it has none of the 3 above it only worth less than $999 and not $1200



Yet we see none of these 4 happening. Sad time for PC community because AMD fails. Why the F AMD need to take on both GPU/CPU!
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As a Titan its suppose to:


1) Comes with HBM, and has 12 GB at least
2) If it comes with G5X, should have 24 GB
3) Should be full blown 3840 cores if it doesnt have DP compute
4) If it has none of the 3 above it only worth less than $999 and yet we see $1200



And we see none of this. Sad time for PC community becz AMD fails. Why the F AMD need to take on both GPU/CPU!

It used to be Titan meant it was the pinnacle of the consumer stack, and bridged that awkward price gap between the consumer and professional segments with some prosumer capabilities.

Then along came Titan X which was a 100% gaming card, but at least it had the highest amount of vram and was a full GM200 chip. This new Titan X is none of those, and it's a Titan in name and price only (could even argue the Titan name is used to justify what would otherwise really just be a 1080 Ti card) and an all around fail of a Titan in specs.
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1080 8GB GDDR5X and 1080 Ti only vanilla GDDR5? that doesn't sound right.
I'm half kidding, but with a 384-bit bus and 8GHz GDDR5, it's still more bandwidth than a 1080. Would probably be fine to pair 3200 cores.
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