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nah I rather I argue with you online about what I might buy in the future.
If the Titan was the ONLY chip that nVIDIA released every Year, at these prices, I could understand the price argument, but, since there are so many choices/prices...I couldn't afford to pay $1700 for the 6950x, I wanted it bad, but, I would have had to make some sacrifices..I am not even upset at anyone...even though I am jelly of those who do have them...tongue.gif

oh rly? choices?

$200 (480), $250 (480w/8Gb 1060 w/3Gb) $300 (1060 w/6Gb) $450 (1070) $700 (1080) or $1,200

well 6 is more than a handful. however, looking at maxwell and prior for both nvidia and AMD, these releases are anemic by comparison.
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If the Titan was the ONLY chip that nVIDIA released every Year, at these prices, I could understand the price argument, but, since there are so many choices/prices...I couldn't afford to pay $1700 for the 6950x, I wanted it bad, but, I would have had to make some sacrifices..I am not even upset at anyone...

Wanting competition and speaking out against monopolistic price hikes is now akin to being upset? AMD isn't competing against Nvidia and Intel on the high end. In fact, less than half of AMDs revenue now comes from their computer and graphics division. This means that the high end enthusiast niche is free for Nvidia and Intel to milk as they please. Hence the 70% premium on the flagship Extreme Edition processor compared the generation prior and a 20% price premium on Titan from the previous generation.
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oh rly? choices?

$200 (480), $250 (480w/8Gb 1060 w/3Gb) $300 (1060 w/6Gb) $450 (1070) $700 (1080) or $1,200

well 6 is more than a handful. however, looking at maxwell and prior for both nvidia and AMD, these releases are anemic by comparison.

Does this actually reflect real world market prices?
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Wanting competition and speaking out against monopolistic price hikes is now akin to being upset? AMD isn't competing against Nvidia and Intel on the high end. In fact, less than half of AMDs revenue now comes from their computer and graphics division. This means that the high end enthusiast niche is free for Nvidia and Intel to milk as they please. Hence the 70% premium on the flagship Extreme Edition processor compared the generation prior and a 20% price premium on Titan from the previous generation.

Actually, yes. And you and others on the forums are very aggressive about it.
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I dont understand how some members are OK with this price gouging. Even if I were able to afford this and held Nvidia stock, its not ethical to charge these prices. Business is business right? So, eithics dont matter. We can charge the plebs whatever we want.

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oh rly? choices?

$200 (480), $250 (480w/8Gb 1060 w/3Gb) $300 (1060 w/6Gb) $450 (1070) $700 (1080) or $1,200

well 6 is more than a handful. however, looking at maxwell and prior for both nvidia and AMD, these releases are anemic by comparison.

Its a different game now. The stakes greed are so high for both companies that every single card has to make the most profit possible and the only way to do this is to portion them out.
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I dont understand how some members are OK with this price gouging. Even if I were able to afford this and held Nvidia stock, its not ethical to charge these prices. Business is business right? So, eithics dont matter. We can charge the plebs whatever we want.
Its a different game now. The stakes greed are so high for both companies that every single card has to make the most profit possible and the only way to do this is to portion them out.

I won't be buying one, I don't think. Even the 1080GTX is sat here in the UK with some stockists at £679. Doubt enough people will ever put a foot down, though. This will be a limited run, and they will all sell. No question.
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I dont understand how some members are OK with this price gouging. Even if I were able to afford this and held Nvidia stock, its not ethical to charge these prices. Business is business right? So, eithics dont matter. We can charge the plebs whatever we want.

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oh rly? choices?

$200 (480), $250 (480w/8Gb 1060 w/3Gb) $300 (1060 w/6Gb) $450 (1070) $700 (1080) or $1,200

well 6 is more than a handful. however, looking at maxwell and prior for both nvidia and AMD, these releases are anemic by comparison.

Its a different game now. The stakes greed are so high for both companies that every single card has to make the most profit possible and the only way to do this is to portion them out.

Again, no one is making any customer purchase this GPU. If you want the best, this is it. It's not being marketed to gamers or even enthusiasts.

There won't be *any* in the channel (at least not as far as we know,) Nvidia isn't sending these out to the typical review sites in advance (at least not yet, as far as we know) and they are basically "refreshing" their line and making up for what they view as "lost revenue" after taking so long to transition from 28nm to 16nm (considering 20nm was a complete flop - but *not* a "free" event.)

This is what I consider "passing the cost onto the consumer."

Demand is up, therefore price goes up. It is quite a bit of supply and demand economics at play here, as well as a lack of competitive products at the high-end from AMD.

Enthusiasts buying these cards does nothing to lower the price. It only raises it, as they are competing with prosumers and professionals looking to use these for compute versus just a bit of willy-waving on the forums and LAN events.
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Demand is up, therefore price goes up.

Seriously? rolleyes.gif




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It is quite a bit of supply and demand economics at play here, as well as a lack of competitive products at the high-end from AMD.

You don't seem to have a very good grasp on economics so refrain from explaining to others thumb.gif



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oh rly? choices?

$200 (480), $250 (480w/8Gb 1060 w/3Gb) $300 (1060 w/6Gb) $450 (1070) $700 (1080) or $1,200

well 6 is more than a handful. however, looking at maxwell and prior for both nvidia and AMD, these releases are anemic by comparison.

Does this actually reflect real world market prices?

i just used what available prices i've seen off the top of my head.

and after posting that i considered resolutions:

1080p would be either a $200 480 w/small chance a AAA game will max the vram buffer (but tbh, probably won't happen) or $250 and get the 8Gb. one could also look at the $250 1060 but take a slightly larger chance on the vram buffer or spend $300 on a 1060 6Gb and be GTG.

so taking no chances either $250 for a 480 8Gb or $300 for a 6Gb 1060.

1440p is either the $450 1070 or $700 1080. the 1070 is a great 1440p card but will it max out ALL AAA games in the near (~year) future? probably but if one wants to be sure . .well the $700 1080 is the choice, unless one would 480 CF (in supported games) for $500.

so taking no chance for future gaming you're looking at $700

4k is either SLI the 1070 for $900 (cheapest but taking a chance at game support/scaling) or going for the titanXP @ $1,200

so taking no chances . .$1,200

granted the conditions i laid out are for maximum IQ for those that want it
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$1,200 is cheap. Very cheap!
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