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I wonder if a 3rd pascal titan is in my future....

DON'T DO IT!

Seriously though, unless you're a benchmark freak, wait to see how the DX12 landscape pans out with homogeneous mGPU...and even then, Nvidia's going to have to show that it's serious about supporting developers who choose to support more than 2-way GPU configs...if they're basically abandoning general support for 3/4-way SLI configs by not optimizing their own drivers for those specs (pretty obvious with how they approached the 'enthusiast key' situation and then even ditched that starting with the GTX 10xx series) then i'm skeptical about how developers are going to want to undertake that kind of a challenge mostly on their own.

I went 3x Titan X Maxwell for this last build (in the middle of switching out to 2x TXPs now) and if there's one thing I learned over the last ~18 months of Tri-SLI gaming is that it is NOT an experience I want to undertake again...the micro-stuttering and mediocre support for most games past 2-way SLI is too much to handle. Heck, I went back and forth on 1 or 2 TXPs as i'm just playing on an X34 and a single TXP might be enough to do the job for most games @ 3440x1440p/100hz.

Anyway, even if you were hemorrhaging money I would still discourage anything past 2-way SLI for anyone that is looking for anything more than pretty benchmark numbers....the gaming performance just truly isn't there (and I really, REALLY wanted the performance to be there).
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DON'T DO IT!

Seriously though, unless you're a benchmark freak, wait to see how the DX12 landscape pans out with homogeneous mGPU...and even then, Nvidia's going to have to show that it's serious about supporting developers who choose to support more than 2-way GPU configs...if they're basically abandoning general support for 3/4-way SLI configs by not optimizing their own drivers for those specs (pretty obvious with how they approached the 'enthusiast key' situation and then even ditched that) then i'm skeptical about how developers are going to want to undertake that kind of a challenge mostly on their own.

I went 3x Titan X Maxwell for this last build (in the middle of switching out to 2x TXPs now) and if there's one thing I learned over the last ~18 months of Tri-SLI gaming is that it is NOT an experience I want to undertake again...the micro-stuttering and mediocre support for most games past 2-way SLI is too much to handle. Heck, I went back and forth on 1 or 2 TXPs as i'm just playing on an X34 and a single TXP might be enough to do the job for most games @ 3440x1440p/100hz.

Anyway, even if you were hemorrhaging money I would still discourage anything past 2-way SLI for anyone that is looking for anything more than pretty benchmark numbers....the gaming performance just truly isn't there (and I really, REALLY wanted the performance to be there).

See, the only reason I'm possibly interests is because I saw how well tomb raider dx12 mGPU worked with 3 maxwell Titans. Maxing them out completely for some epic fps. I just can't get 165fps reliably with 2 pascal Titans. If I knew for sure all new games would support dx12 mGPU with 3 cards, I would be all over it. But $1500 to have it work in just a coupe games, yeah, definitely wouldn't be worth it.
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See, the only reason I'm possibly interests is because I saw how well tomb raider dx12 mGPU worked with 3 maxwell Titans. Maxing them out completely for some epic fps. I just can't get 165fps reliably with 2 pascal Titans. If I knew for sure all new games would support dx12 mGPU with 3 cards, I would be all over it. But $1500 to have it work in just a coupe games, yeah, definitely wouldn't be worth it.

Yeah for sure...if DX12 mgpu scaling is there...it's definitely going to be worth it...but it likely won't be there for anything but a single game or two every year it seems like, which is terrible value for anything past 2 cards.

GPU hardware is far outpacing graphical advances in game development, so it'll likely make more "sense" to keep upgrading to newer generation GPUs than to tack on more and more GPUs from the previous generation.

Money is likely not an issue for enthusiasts like us in this thread, as there's a certain level of masochism involved to keep upgrading components even when MAYBE 1-2 games will even take advantage of the upgrades every year...but i'm never going back to more than a 2-way GPU config. until developers/Nvidia can prove that it's actually a worthwhile investment....for me, it's been anything but that. I'll upgrade to 2x Titan X Voltas or whatever else is the high-end card 18 months from now before I tack on a 3rd TXP, that's for sure. wink.gif
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thanks dude....

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maybe i will try to contact them and be honest

I'm not disputing the validity of the OPs situation but when I spoke to them they said any modifications will void warranty. So am I quite surprised to hear they offered the OP a refund.
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Yeah for sure...if DX12 mgpu scaling is there...it's definitely going to be worth it...but it likely won't be there for anything but a single game or two every year it seems like, which is terrible value for anything past 2 cards.

GPU hardware is far outpacing graphical advances in game development, so it'll likely make more "sense" to keep upgrading to newer generation GPUs than to tack on more and more GPUs from the previous generation.

Money is likely not an issue for enthusiasts like us in this thread, as there's a certain level of masochism involved to keep upgrading components even when MAYBE 1-2 games will even take advantage of the upgrades every year...but i'm never going back to more than a 2-way GPU config. until developers/Nvidia can prove that it's actually a worthwhile investment....for me, it's been anything but that. I'll upgrade to 2x Titan X Voltas or whatever else is the high-end card 18 months from now before I tack on a 3rd TXP, that's for sure. wink.gif

"GPU hardware is far outpacing graphical advances"

I disagree with this specific part. Monitors are advancing, GPUs are stalling and late to party.
Graphics is advancing but there are no GPUs that can handle it. For most games a single TXP is not enough at 4K@60Hz or 1440@144Hz.
Games next year will not be limited with the API, DX12 and Vulkan are here.

What concerns me is that developers (I'm one and I know many) mostly don't feel like bothering about multi-GPU in DX12/Vulkan (it's not even possible in Vulkan yet and it may not be up to Vulkan 1.2).
I'd do it, but usually it's not up to one person, but a budget.
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I'm not disputing the validity of the OPs situation but when I spoke to them they said any modifications will void warranty. So am I quite surprised to hear they offered the OP a refund.

just finish chating with nvidia and was told that he have to check this with RMA team
and basically this voids warranty then he gave an e mail to fill all kind of datails
so done that now waiting with fingers crossed
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"GPU hardware is far outpacing graphical advances"

I disagree with this specific part. Monitors are advancing, GPUs are stalling and late to party.
Graphics is advancing but there are no GPUs that can handle it. For most games a single TXP is not enough at 4K@60Hz or 1440@144Hz.
Games next year will not be limited with the API, DX12 and Vulkan are here.

What concerns me is that developers (I'm one and I know many) mostly don't feel like bothering about multi-GPU in DX12/Vulkan (it's not even possible in Vulkan yet and it may not be up to Vulkan 1.2).
I'd do it, but usually it's not up to one person, but a budget.

Eh, we can agree to disagree then.

4K has been around for a few years now, and yeah, it's still a hard resolution to drive, but primarily due to the sheer millions of pixels involved and not necessarily due to a game's graphical fidelity.

The vast majority of games are console ports/games that are multiplatform that aren't focused solely on milking every tier of PC hardware.

"Graphics is advancing but there are no GPUs that can handle it." Really? Can you even put together a list of more than ~10 overwhelmingly popular games that can't be run on 1440p @ 60hz? Because that's what the "new standard" is for probably 98% of PC gamers...the rest of the PC gaming population is lumped into the 1440p@144hz, 3440x1440p @ 100hz and 4k @ 60hz crowd.

You're also underestimating game developers' willingness to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan; RoTR had "okay" DX12 improvements, nothing too spectacular, and we have yet to see how other games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will fare.

Gaming as a whole is a money-first business like everything else, so if you think that developers are going to come out of the woodwork to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan so that the top 2% of PC gamers with $1,200 GPUs and $1-2K CPUs are getting the absolute BEST graphical fidelity at the most optimal and efficient performance at the best resolutions and framerates....lol....prepare to be disappointed.

We're lucky to get developers putting in the time for DEDICATED PC games that are designed and developed with PCs in mind....I mean, really, how many games coming out besides Star Citizen can you actually say are being built to advance graphics technology and take full advantage of PCs? And even then, DX12 is still just in the exploratory phase with Star Citizen...they've already mentioned it will come after launch and will likely require a code revamp for most of the things they've done (since they're turned CryEngine inside out basically).

I appreciate you trying to justify our hardware but when 98% of PC gamers are in a much different places than those of us running TXPs, then pretty much most games are ALWAYS going to be behind the hardware curve.
Edited by jcde7ago - 8/27/16 at 1:37am
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Eh, we can agree to disagree then.

4K has been around for a few years now, and yeah, it's still a hard resolution to drive, but primarily due to the sheer millions of pixels involved and not necessarily due to a game's graphical fidelity.

The vast majority of games are console ports/games that are multiplatform that aren't focused solely on milking every tier of PC hardware.

"Graphics is advancing but there are no GPUs that can handle it." Really? Can you even put together a list of more than ~10 overwhelmingly popular games that can't be run on 1440p @ 60hz? Because that's what the "new standard" is for probably 98% of PC gamers...the rest of the PC gaming population is lumped into the 1440p@144hz, 3440x1440p @ 100hz and 4k @ 60hz crowd.

You're also underestimating game developers' willingness to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan; RoTR had "okay" DX12 improvements, nothing too spectacular, and we have yet to see how other games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will fare.

Gaming as a whole is a money-first business like everything else, so if you think that developers are going to come out of the woodwork to take advantage of DX12 and Vulcan so that the top 2% of PC gamers with $1,200 GPUs and $1-2K CPUs are getting the absolute BEST graphical fidelity at the most optimal and efficient performance at the best resolutions and framerates....lol....prepare to be disappointed.

We're lucky to get developers putting in the time for DEDICATED PC games that are designed and developed with PCs in mind....I mean, really, how many games coming out besides Star Citizen can you actually say are being built to advance graphics technology and take full advantage of PCs? And even then, DX12 is still just in the exploratory phase with Star Citizen...they've already mentioned it will come after launch and will likely require a code revamp for most of the things they've done (since they're turned CryEngine inside out basically).

I appreciate you trying to justify our hardware but when 98% of PC gamers are in a much different places than those of us running TXPs, then pretty much most games are ALWAYS going to be behind the hardware curve.

I have no problem with someone disagreeing. smile.gif Sure, go ahead, but. The sheer millions of pixels is not a real problem. I can make you a game-looking demo that runs 2000 FPS on 4K. It is a combination. You can today run some Blizzard games in 5K maxed out on an Titan X Maxwell, but the, running SW: Battlefront at 5K@60Hz is hard for TitanXP. 1440@60Hz? With what card? 1080 can do it... I think. But not 144 or 4K@60.

You read my comment wrong. I never commented on DX12/Vulkan usage, but multi-GPU usage. It is a very different thing. DeusEx DX12 patch came, I have yet to see if it fixed DX11 problems it had (API inefficiencies). DX12 and Vulkan are coming fast and will take over the AAA games in a very short time. Also, DX12 and Vulkan are not about expensive GPUs. A $200 RX 480 and cheaper cards benefit from it. Both APIs are supported by most of the old and new hardware in use. It has nothing to do with $1200 GPUs.
Now that you mention putting time to dedicated PC games, yes, DX12 and Vulkan are actually making it drastically easier to port console games to PC and to write cross-platform games.

Regarding Star Citizen, I suggest you refund and take your money elsewhere. I think the game will never be released, at least not nearly as described. It will most probably end in a class action lawsuit. Don't hold your breath.
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SLI TX Pascall vs SLI TX Maxwell.

Witcher 3 all maxed - 1080p/1440p/4k smile.gif

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