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maybe if you edit setting for CPU affinity for DIrt Rally you can see if there is a difference, in Grid Autosport there is a noticeable difference but it was using HT
  
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maybe if you edit setting for CPU affinity for DIrt Rally you can see if there is a difference, in Grid Autosport there is a noticeable difference but it was using HT

Thanks for that piece of info, but game already uses all the cores and so does Waterfox and the few other applications i checked frown.gif

So i take it that this low CPU usage is the game is abnormal behavior and an issue that has to be solved?

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Well i Goggled some more on this issue, and still i can't figure out if this behavior (CPU 60% usage while 100% GPU usage in game) is "normal" for a situation/PC config like mine (where the CPU is not bottlenecking the GPU?), or this is an issue that must be resolved (if solvable) and i could have benefits in game performance...
Only thing i managed to figure out is that 60FPS @1080p with my mostly Ultra settings, is good performance for a stock R9 270X.

The thing that GTA5 and bench/stress utils use all of CPU is also complicating things, because if i never had more than 60-70% of CPU usage then i would know for a fact that i'm having a problem.. frown.gif

http://steamcommunity.com/app/310560/discussions/0/613956964591550078
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/18635/dirt-rally-framerate-issues-following-new-update
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Installed Project Cars again, and it has similar behavior with Dirt Rally:
CPU steady at ~70%, GPU usage close to 100% (never lower than 9x%) for again ~60fps 1080p gameplay.
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I don't see the problem? 60% CPU usage with 100% GPU usage sounds good to me.
How much CPU usage you get highly depends on the game. 100% GPU usage just shows that your GPU is hard at work. In most games, your usage case is normal. In CPU bound games like RTS or MMO games, you'll see it the other way around, since there are more calculations to be done.

Edit: That can be the case with open world games like GTA V too, which is why you saw 100% CPU usage there. This is because there are many different things on the screen that need calculations like the AI from the NPC and stuff like that.
Edited by Nestala - 7/26/16 at 2:10am
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I don't see the problem? 60% CPU usage with 100% GPU usage sounds good to me.
How much CPU usage you get highly depends on the game. 100% GPU usage just shows that your GPU is hard at work. In most games, your usage case is normal. In CPU bound games like RTS or MMO games, you'll see it the other way around, since there are more calculations to be done.

Edit: That can be the case with open world games like GTA V too, which is why you saw 100% CPU usage there. This is because there are many different things on the screen that need calculations like the AI from the NPC and stuff like that.

Well i guess that i'm having 'normal' behavior then, which is what i assumed i had based on the FPS performance in games, until i noticed i don't use all my CPU all the time...

Still bummed out that CPU+GPU modest OC does really nothing in my case though :/

Thank you all for your time smile.gif
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Your usage seems good to me.

Regarding the oc benefits in dirt rally specifically, I can't see how you can match the performance of a Haswell i5 with a 775/771 quad core, even with a good oc. You are also lagging behind in the gpu too, where a 290 is recommended.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/310560/

If you want to see any real world benefits through your mild/aggressive/light oc, you should stop focusing on benchmarks imho, and pay attention to the game or app you want to see an improvement.

Do correct me if I'm wrong here, but:
On a more realistic basis, even if you surpass the target CPU you want to match in a means of fsb bclk qpi clock, you will still be lacking the instructions sets etc. In other words, you are just accelerating the cycles and not the work in each cycle, where a newer CPU would produce more work in the same or less amount of cycles.

Also, apps and games, when being developed, are best optimized for a range of target hardware, and not for anything that exists on this planet...


p.s.: got any good setup for r4 impreza Monte Carlo? tongue.gif
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It is logical to not notice a tangible difference between 1070 MHz and 1120 MHz. It is only a 5% OC after all (In a linear case it is 50 fps*1.05= 52.5 fps, but the scaling won't be 100% so you will probably only see a single fps from that OC. If you want to go from 50 fps to 60 fps you need at least a 25-30% OC either on the CPU or the GPU or both (depending on the bottleneck where it is).

Not all GPUs are supreme overclockers. For example my HD 7950 at 1150/1600 was like owning a totaly different card than when it was at stock 800/1250. It was around 35-40% faster after OC (like going from 50 fps to 67-70 fps).
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I don't see the problem? 60% CPU usage with 100% GPU usage sounds good to me.
How much CPU usage you get highly depends on the game. 100% GPU usage just shows that your GPU is hard at work. In most games, your usage case is normal. In CPU bound games like RTS or MMO games, you'll see it the other way around, since there are more calculations to be done.

Edit: That can be the case with open world games like GTA V too, which is why you saw 100% CPU usage there. This is because there are many different things on the screen that need calculations like the AI from the NPC and stuff like that.

What this fella said ^
Yeah what are you even on about mate tongue.gif
Need something to complain about? lol jokes.

I have the exact opposite experience to you, where OC'ing my CPU made my SLI setup noticeably better, and saw some decent improvements in a lot of the titles I've played biggrin.gif

Also I think a key thing to note here, is you seem to be basing all of your conclusions off the results of testing a single game. Throughout your life, if you jump to conclusions from the results of a solitary test, you are guaranteed to have a bad time wink.gif
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Your usage seems good to me.

Regarding the oc benefits in dirt rally specifically, I can't see how you can match the performance of a Haswell i5 with a 775/771 quad core, even with a good oc. You are also lagging behind in the gpu too, where a 290 is recommended.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/310560/

If you want to see any real world benefits through your mild/aggressive/light oc, you should stop focusing on benchmarks imho, and pay attention to the game or app you want to see an improvement.

Do correct me if I'm wrong here, but:
On a more realistic basis, even if you surpass the target CPU you want to match in a means of fsb bclk qpi clock, you will still be lacking the instructions sets etc. In other words, you are just accelerating the cycles and not the work in each cycle, where a newer CPU would produce more work in the same or less amount of cycles.

Also, apps and games, when being developed, are best optimized for a range of target hardware, and not for anything that exists on this planet...


p.s.: got any good setup for r4 impreza Monte Carlo? tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by HeadlessKnight View Post

It is logical to not notice a tangible difference between 1070 MHz and 1120 MHz. It is only a 5% OC after all (In a linear case it is 50 fps*1.05= 52.5 fps, but the scaling won't be 100% so you will probably only see a single fps from that OC. If you want to go from 50 fps to 60 fps you need at least a 25-30% OC either on the CPU or the GPU or both (depending on the bottleneck where it is).

Not all GPUs are supreme overclockers. For example my HD 7950 at 1150/1600 was like owning a totaly different card than when it was at stock 800/1250. It was around 35-40% faster after OC (like going from 50 fps to 67-70 fps).

Quote:
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What this fella said ^
Yeah what are you even on about mate tongue.gif
Need something to complain about? lol jokes.

I have the exact opposite experience to you, where OC'ing my CPU made my SLI setup noticeably better, and saw some decent improvements in a lot of the titles I've played biggrin.gif

Also I think a key thing to note here, is you seem to be basing all of your conclusions off the results of testing a single game. Throughout your life, if you jump to conclusions from the results of a solitary test, you are guaranteed to have a bad time wink.gif

First of all i never said that my overclocked X5460 can compete in performance a newer gen CPU, i said exactly the opposite (see Post #9). And the thing only came up because of that site's tests link, that was using better CPUs/GPUs combos than my own. The only thing that related my situation with those tests is the issue of a CPU bottlenecking the GPU, that clearly happened i those tests and clearly isn't the case for me since OCing the CPU did nothing.

Also i admitted that 1120MHz is a pretty mild OC and i wasn't expecting any miracles in my first post, however even if i pushed harder (100-150MHz instead of 50)i don't think i was going to get much more, based on the first 50MHz step results, and yes i might be wrong, please correct me if so.
And i know there is no chance in hell to raise my GPU clock 30% like 7xxx generation GPUs do: my GPU is basically a 'pushed' 7870 GHz Edition and it's pretty close to what the chip can give... I wish i could just use AsusTweak/Afterburner/whatever to pushed the GPU to 1365MHz (that's 30% over the stock 1050MHz) frown.gif

And please note that i mentioned from the start that i only care about that particular game and not anything else. I did tests and i wrote down numbers just to have an idea of what is happening, but like i said in previous posts, my goal was to improve my gaming experience and not raise my XXX Bench Util score.

Now, the 'problem' i had when i started the thread ("CPU/GPU OC does not improve my gaming, am i doing something wrong?") might deviated to "oh crap, do i have an issue with my CPU not fully used?", that i know believe it's not an issue and its normal behavior, but my experience as i describe it in my first post is unchanged and remains 100% true:
OCing my CPU and/or GPU does nothing to improve my Dirt Rally gaming experience. So i wasn't trolling or anything and i am not joking either, i am just not sure i did everything right (OC-wise) and i wanted to know if there is something i messed up and that was why i didn't get any kind of meaningful performance increase.

Again, thanks for your time and your help smile.gif

PS. varieme-esy, these new cars are boring, i am using the good old short Quattro myself biggrin.gif
Edited by JohnnyG01 - 7/29/16 at 1:56am
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