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Yep it was the Riva 128.

So, Pascal is basically a refined Riva 128 on 16nm FF. bigeyedsmiley.png
so my 1080 is the reincarnation of my long dead Riva 128 ......................... eek.gif
Let's just agree that it's very refined clump of moving electrons.
    
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So according to Anandtech, Kepler is basically a dieshrunk, refined Fermi, and Maxwell is refined Kepler, and Pascal is refined Maxwell. So Pascal is basically a refined Fermi on 16nm FF then lol

Kepler lasted 30 months (Mar 2012 to Sep 2014), and Maxwell lasted 20 months (Sep 2014 to May 2016). Maxwell also didn't have 2 generations unless you count the separate launch of GM200 as a "generation". So by that trend Pascal will last 10 months, so Volta launching in April 2017 confirmed? biggrin.gif

And really, going by historical precedence Maxwell is the odd one out, because both Kepler and Pascal launched with the x04 chip (~300mm²) first, while Maxwell debuted with GM107 (148mm²), presumably because they wanted to use it as a test bed to see how the retooled uarch would fare on 28nm after 20nm failed.

They have made enough changes where optimizing one architecture does not effect the other unlike GCN which has been slowly beefed up since 1.0.
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So according to Anandtech, Kepler is basically a dieshrunk, refined Fermi, and Maxwell is refined Kepler, and Pascal is refined Maxwell. So Pascal is basically a refined Fermi on 16nm FF then lol

Dang man. Makes AMD look completely incompetent if Nvidia is just launching refinements of a 6 year old arch and they are still this far ahead of AMD trying to evolve and refine GCN and that is only a 5 year old arch. And why the heck cant Intel pull off 25% performance jumps from arch refinement each gen like Nvidia? mad.gif lol wink.gif
Edited by EniGma1987 - 7/26/16 at 6:17pm
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Dang man. Makes AMD look completely incompetent if Nvidia is just launching refinements of a 6 year old arch and they are still this far ahead of AMD trying to evolve and refine GCN and that is only a 5 year old arch. And why the heck cant Intel pull off 25% performance jumps from arch refinement each gen like Nvidia? mad.gif lol wink.gif
Nvidia's Pascal is nothing like their previous archs so I don't see it as a refinement perhaps you're talking about Intel VS AMD where Intel is basically just improving Sandy Bridge. (At this point though, even Skylake and Sandy Bridge don't look much alike)

AMD's GCN even though they still call it that has also changed a lot. The reason why Intel can't pull of 25% generation over generation is due to 2 reasons:
First: CPUs don't scale as well with more cores as compared to GPUs which exhibit near perfect scaling.
Second: There is no need for Intel to do that.
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. Maxwell also didn't have 2 generations unless you count the separate launch of GM200 as a "generation". So by that trend Pascal will last 10 months, so Volta launching in April 2017 confirmed?

What is GM 107(750/750Ti) and GM 206(950/960)? You don't call that 2 generations? rolleyes.gif
Edited by sherlock - 7/26/16 at 6:46pm
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I'm sorry if I didn't think one single chip could count as its own generation. rolleyes.gif

But yeah sure, first gen Maxwell = GM107 only, and second gen Maxwell = everything else if you insist on putting it that way
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I'm sorry if I didn't think one single chip could count as its own generation. rolleyes.gif

But yeah sure, first gen Maxwell = GM107 only, and second gen Maxwell = everything else if you insist on putting it that way

GM107 was like a test. Like HD 4770.
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I'm sorry if I didn't think one single chip could count as its own generation. rolleyes.gif

But yeah sure, first gen Maxwell = GM107 only, and second gen Maxwell = everything else if you insist on putting it that way

You give Kepler two generations, that is one chip only as well in GK110 for second gen
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You're right, I should've corrected you when you said "all those lasted 2 generations each", so that's a fail on my part.
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You're right, I should've corrected you when you said "all those lasted 2 generations each", so that's a fail on my part.

Techenicalities about what constitute a generation aside, Kepler-Maxwell is 4 years and 2 month, Fermi is 2 years, and you think Pascal would get thrown out the window in 1 year, incurring hundred of millions extra R&D cost a year earlier(time-value of money here is important) when there is no need with Nvidia's comfortable performance lead and no realistic competition until Navi in 2018(Vega can dealt with by be shipping Titan X 2016 as 1080Ti instead at 1080's current $650-700 price point)? rolleyes.gif
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