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The problem is you assume Volta is done(Fermi/Kepler/Maxwell each took 20-24 month to develop, and you think Volta is done in 12 month?) and nothing can be done in 2017 to improve it(and HBM2 price would also go down further the later you push the Volta release date), whereas I think it is still in development for late 2017/early 2018. You can have GV104 out in early 2H 2017, but that's going to mean take R&D off GV100 chips development and overtime which means higher cost. Or you could just leave those people where they are and refine Pascal for less.

If you push out Volta within a year of Pascal that means less not more time to sell Volta, people would just assume NV is now on a 1 year architecture development cycle and by H2 2018 will be waiting for the next architecture. Nvidia is the marketing leadership role, and like Intel that means it would make more business sense to scale back R&D and milk existing product more like they did with GK110,760 & 770, accelerating architecture release cycle from 20-24 month to 12 month would be the polar opposite.

Pascal wasn't planned all along. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7900/nvidia-updates-gpu-roadmap-unveils-pascal-architecture-for-2016. They slipped it in-between Maxwell and Volta probably because they did not expect HBM to be ready in time for 2016. And from my understanding there isn't much changed from on the architecture from Maxwell to Pascal.

You can even see it in the performance gains, most of it, if not all beside VR is coming from the boost in clocks and the 16nm node. I don't know how it's so far fetched that Pascal is just a tweaked Maxwell that was planned as Plan B because Volta wasn't ready in time giving them a good 8-12 months more to produce the new arch. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/4) "Overall then at the diagram level the GP104 SM looks almost identical to the Maxwell SM, but with one exception: the PolyMorph Engine. Although the distinction is largely arbitrary for GP104, the PolyMorph Engine has been moved up a level; it’s no longer part of the SM, but rather part of the newly re-introduced TPC, which itself sits between the GPC and the SM."

They showed a roadmap with Volta back in 2013 http://www.lesnumeriques.com/carte-graphique/nvidia-parle-futures-generations-cartes-graphiques-n28776.html where the killer feature is staked Vram (HBM) and we all know AMD is getting those before nvidia and they aren't even talking about their HBM2 cards yet. So clearly Volta has been in the pipeline even before Pascal and I could see it being released sooner then later. They already released Titan XP to make some room in 2017 for Volta. It all make sens right? Even the price hike with Pascal would explain they they don't want to sell tons of pascal to make sure people upgrade to the real deal aka Volta once it come out biggrin.gif.
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Pascal wasn't planned all along. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7900/nvidia-updates-gpu-roadmap-unveils-pascal-architecture-for-2016. They slipped it in-between Maxwell and Volta probably because they did not expect HBM to be ready in time for 2016. And from my understanding there isn't much changed from on the architecture from Maxwell to Pascal.

You can even see it in the performance gains, most of it, if not all beside VR is coming from the boost in clocks and the 16nm node. I don't know how it's so far fetched that Pascal is just a tweaked Maxwell that was planned as Plan B because Volta wasn't ready in time giving them a good 8-12 months more to produce the new arch. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/4) "Overall then at the diagram level the GP104 SM looks almost identical to the Maxwell SM, but with one exception: the PolyMorph Engine. Although the distinction is largely arbitrary for GP104, the PolyMorph Engine has been moved up a level; it’s no longer part of the SM, but rather part of the newly re-introduced TPC, which itself sits between the GPC and the SM."

They showed a roadmap with Volta back in 2013 http://www.lesnumeriques.com/carte-graphique/nvidia-parle-futures-generations-cartes-graphiques-n28776.html where the killer feature is staked Vram (HBM) and we all know AMD is getting those before nvidia and they aren't even talking about their HBM2 cards yet. So clearly Volta has been in the pipeline even before Pascal and I could see it being released sooner then later. They already released Titan XP to make some room in 2017 for Volta. It all make sens right? Even the price hike with Pascal would explain they they don't want to sell tons of pascal to make sure people upgrade to the real deal aka Volta once it come out biggrin.gif.

Adorned confirms what you're saying. Pascal is basically Maxwell at higher clocks.
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Totally OT, but would anybody like to take a stab at what nVidia would name the architecture following Volta?

Tesla: Serbian-American engineer
Fermi: Italian physicist
Kepler: German mathematician/astronomer
Maxwell: Scottish mathematician/physicist
Pascal: French mathematician
Volta: Italian physicist

Now if we ignore Tesla, it would appear that Volta completes one round of the naming cycle, because we're back to using an Italian physicist to name things. Therefore the next uarch should logically be named after yet another German mathematician/astronomer type person. My top pick would be Gauss, since he was a German mathematician/physicist, which is pretty damn close. Plus Gauss just sounds baus, and you can then legit name your dies with the prefix GG. That's like a quadruple win right there.

So it would appear there's a very good chance whatever comes after Volta will be named Gauss. smile.gif
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Totally OT, but would anybody like to take a stab at what nVidia would name the architecture following Volta?

Tesla: Serbian-American engineer
Fermi: Italian physicist
Kepler: German mathematician/astronomer
Maxwell: Scottish mathematician/physicist
Pascal: French mathematician
Volta: Italian physicist

Ponzi: Italian con artist.
Madoff: Unites States fraudster and a former stockbroker, investment advisor, and financier.

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you can then legit name your dies with the prefix GG
do it Nvidia biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

GG104, GG102, GG100

so good
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as far as "true" Volta arch goes - what do you guys expect to see there ?


Will Nvidia go back to hardware schedulers ? Seems like it could make sense for DX12

Looking at actual fps gains in games from specifically async shaders (Doom Vulkan, RotR) - these so far show to be only a few percent, maybe 4-5% at best (Time Spy has a bit more but thats synthetic) .. so with that in mind - is it even worth to put ACEs on your card ? the gain exists but its very small and implemnting ACEs will use die space and power


What else ?
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as far as "true" Volta arch goes - what do you guys expect to see there ?


Will Nvidia go back to hardware schedulers ? Seems like it could make sense for DX12

Looking at actual fps gains in games from specifically async shaders (Doom Vulkan, RotR) - these so far show to be only a few percent, maybe 4-5% at best (Time Spy has a bit more but thats synthetic) .. so with that in mind - is it even worth to put ACEs on your card ? the gain exists but its very small and implemnting ACEs will use die space and power


What else ?

I was curious about the hardware schedulers as well. I have heard several times that using a hardware scheduler would reduce power efficiency, hence why AMD still has not caught up to Nvidia in this regard.

Remember Async compute still isn't being fully utilized fully yet. Oxide mentioned this before in an interview that this is just getting started with Async. In the future it will be much more utilized than it is now.
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Ponzi: Italian con artist.
Madoff: Unites States fraudster and a former stockbroker, investment advisor, and financier.

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There is louis curie boltzmann newton einstein hawking and galileo.

Follow physicist name with different starting alphabet

Gpu codename:

GG104
GB104
GC104
GE104
GH104
GN104
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There is louis curie boltzmann newton einstein hawking and galileo.

Follow physicist name with different starting alphabet

Gpu codename:

GG104
GB104
GC104
GE104
GH104
GN104

They cannot use Newton or Einstein, and I think Galileo is too well know too. Those names would keep people thinking of the scientist instead of the architecture. Hawking is alive. There are still a lot of other names available though, enough they could keep the theme going for a long time. wink.gif
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I still maintain Gauss is the most reasonable, whether from a linguistics perspective (who wouldn't want GG dies wink.gif, also monosyllabic so easy to pronounce forcefully), its connotations (people would likely immediately think of a gauss cannon which is pretty futuristic, high tech, and badass), or how well known/obscure the scientist is. I'd say Carl Gauss has just the right amount of obscurity (to layman anyway).

Boltzmann is a mouthful, and Curie means GC dies, which would be easily confused with GCN.

Also logic:
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Totally OT, but would anybody like to take a stab at what nVidia would name the architecture following Volta?

Tesla: Serbian-American engineer
Fermi: Italian physicist
Kepler: German mathematician/astronomer
Maxwell: Scottish mathematician/physicist
Pascal: French mathematician
Volta: Italian physicist

Now if we ignore Tesla, it would appear that Volta completes one round of the naming cycle, because we're back to using an Italian physicist to name things. Therefore the next uarch should logically be named after yet another German mathematician/astronomer type person. My top pick would be Gauss, since he was a German mathematician/physicist, which is pretty damn close. Plus Gauss just sounds baus, and you can then legit name your dies with the prefix GG. That's like a quadruple win right there.

So it would appear there's a very good chance whatever comes after Volta will be named Gauss. smile.gif

Edited by magnek - 7/28/16 at 11:16pm
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