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I see a lot of stuff online saying LLC can be bad, but if the voltages are low enough I won't encounter as much of the negative effects of LLC (the spiking); Is that correct?

I don't intend to push the chip beyond 4.6Ghz, in fact I'll probably leave it at 4.4Ghz once i get it super-stable.

Correct, the voltage spike can cause instability, for me I just set it at a locked voltage and then just applied each LLC level to see what they each did under load, some will add less voltage and some more, so you just have to play with it. But write down the effects of each, because each mobo and chip are different so there really is no guide. Just something you have to do to see how your system reacts. If I remember correctly I think I have mine set to LLC High, but its been a while since I've been in the BIOS.
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post #12 of 23
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I keep getting "Prime95 Application has stopped working" software crashes.

No actual errors in the Prime95 windows, no BSOD, no system crashes.

I'm assuming this is an instability issue, not just Prime95 crashing?
    
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I keep getting "Prime95 Application has stopped working" software crashes.

No actual errors in the Prime95 windows, no BSOD, no system crashes.

I'm assuming this is an instability issue, not just Prime95 crashing?

Yup it is instability. Not enough to give you BSOD, but enough for P95 to not run correctly. Up the voltage a bit and retest.
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If all i do is watch Netflix and some gaming, is 1 hour of Prime95 considered stable?
    
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Man, every time i try 4.6Ghz, no matter the other settings, my temperatures are through the roof.

Guess I won't be doing that.
    
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IIRC I have offset voltage set to the lowest (0,05V or something), and then just do my actual ocing via the turbo voltage. For that, just set the lowest offset voltage first with no turbo voltage, boot in and note your Vcore under load, after that you know what is the maximum turbo voltage value you can set (depending on how much Vcore you want to run, some don't want more than 1,3V, some are fine with 1,4V for 24/7 use. Depends on you smile.gif). Then just push your multiplier while raising the turbo voltage.

Works fine for me, if I'm just doing low performance stuff like browsing or watching a movie or whatever, it'll hang around idle voltages, and raise the voltage to 1,3V max when doing performance intensive stuff like gaming or benchmarking.

Do you mean the lowest *positive* offset voltage? I can set it to +0.005v, but technically it goes negative, and it goes way lower than 0. So the lowest possible offset voltage would be unstable at idle. That's where i'm confused. I have been trying to see how far negative I could push the offset voltage and get it stable at boot/idle. I figured from there, I could just up the turbo boost voltage until it's also stable during stress tests.

Also, I can't turn my turbo voltage "off" unless setting it to "Auto" is essentially the off switch. Otherwise is starts at +0.004v and goes up from there.
    
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If all i do is watch Netflix and some gaming, is 1 hour of Prime95 considered stable?

Yeah I would. May even a bit of overkill, but hey in the name of science! Yeah if it passes one hour then I'd leave the settings. If for any reason it crashes just bump it up .005 at a time.
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Man, every time i try 4.6Ghz, no matter the other settings, my temperatures are through the roof.

Guess I won't be doing that.

Yeah you will need a better cooler smile.gif

I had the NH-D15 and it was great. Ran at 5.0 for six months no problems with heat or what have you. Obviously big and expensive, but if you wanna stay air cooled and overclock it's the way to go.
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IIRC I have offset voltage set to the lowest (0,05V or something), and then just do my actual ocing via the turbo voltage. For that, just set the lowest offset voltage first with no turbo voltage, boot in and note your Vcore under load, after that you know what is the maximum turbo voltage value you can set (depending on how much Vcore you want to run, some don't want more than 1,3V, some are fine with 1,4V for 24/7 use. Depends on you smile.gif). Then just push your multiplier while raising the turbo voltage.

Works fine for me, if I'm just doing low performance stuff like browsing or watching a movie or whatever, it'll hang around idle voltages, and raise the voltage to 1,3V max when doing performance intensive stuff like gaming or benchmarking.

Do you mean the lowest *positive* offset voltage? I can set it to +0.005v, but technically it goes negative, and it goes way lower than 0. So the lowest possible offset voltage would be unstable at idle. That's where i'm confused. I have been trying to see how far negative I could push the offset voltage and get it stable at boot/idle. I figured from there, I could just up the turbo boost voltage until it's also stable during stress tests.

Also, I can't turn my turbo voltage "off" unless setting it to "Auto" is essentially the off switch. Otherwise is starts at +0.004v and goes up from there.

Yes, I mean the lowest positive offset voltage (+0,005V). If you really want, I can look in my bios later to see what settings I exactly use, but it should be like this:
When you use offset voltage, it theoretically should run at like ~1,1V + your offset voltage value. That's where it runs when it doesn't do anything/only light tasks (only in theory, actual it goes a lot lower in voltage if it idles, IIRC around ~0,9V).
Now if you set additional turbo voltage, this is how your voltage should behave when you put it under load: "normal" voltage (~1,1V) + offset voltage value + additional turbo voltage. So for example for me it should be something like this: 1,1V+0,005V+0,15V=~1,25V.
So it would have around ~0,9V when in idle, and depending on what tasks you do it can up the voltage up to a max of 1,25V (using my example).

Hope that helps.

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I had a Hyper 212 like you before I switched to the NH-D15 though, and 4,5GHz was no problem, so you should be good.
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Yes, I mean the lowest positive offset voltage (+0,005V). If you really want, I can look in my bios later to see what settings I exactly use, but it should be like this:
When you use offset voltage, it theoretically should run at like ~1,1V + your offset voltage value. That's where it runs when it doesn't do anything/only light tasks (only in theory, actual it goes a lot lower in voltage if it idles, IIRC around ~0,9V).
Now if you set additional turbo voltage, this is how your voltage should behave when you put it under load: "normal" voltage (~1,1V) + offset voltage value + additional turbo voltage. So for example for me it should be something like this: 1,1V+0,005V+0,15V=~1,25V.
So it would have around ~0,9V when in idle, and depending on what tasks you do it can up the voltage up to a max of 1,25V (using my example).

Hope that helps.

I currently run a i5-3570K @ 4.7GHz / 1.256V with a Noctua NH-D15 and 5x Noctua NF-A14 FLX (140mm) fans.
I had a Hyper 212 like you before I switched to the NH-D15 though, and 4,5GHz was no problem, so you should be good.

Yup! That NH-D15 is a beast. Loved mine. Can take gobs of heat no problem.
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Gaming Rig
(13 items)
 
 
mITX Powerhouse
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7 3770K 5.0GHz @ 1.394v +.280 Offset (delid) Asus P8Z77-V EVGA 980Ti Classified  16 GB G Skill Trident X 2400mhz CL10 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
3x Samsung 850 Evo 500GB EK Predator 360 w/QDC, Kryonaut TIM EKWB EK-FC780-Classy HWLabs Black Ice Nemesis GTX 280  
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit ASUS VG248QE Superflower 750w 80+ Platinum Fractal Design Define S w/Window 
Mouse
Razr Epic Naga 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i7-940 @ 3.8Ghz MSI X58 Platinum SLI Samsung DDR3 1600mhz 16 GB Sandisk 128 GB SSD 
CoolingOSPower
Noctua NH-U9S Windows 7/ Ubuuntu Superflower 450w 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7 7700K (delid) @5.0GHz Asus Z270I Strix EVGA 1080Ti SC2 G.Skill 16GB 3200MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 960 Evo 256GB Samsung 850 Evo 500GB m.2 Noctua NH-D15 Windows 10 Pro 
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Corsair SF600 Fractal Design Core 500 
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