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post #131 of 257
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Originally Posted by Klocek001 View Post

lol
point me to the exact post where I stated that rolleyes.gif
grown men on ocn can be like childern,you imagined I said ml120s were perfect for any use and you thew a fit like a baby.
if it's good enough it's good enough for me.
I interpret ciarlatano's post as him saying
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The ML is a good fan. It is not the end all/be all perfect fan for all applications, and that is what you essentially stated.

I suspect he read this post
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Originally Posted by Klocek001 View Post

cause I can reuse them as radiator fans too
good as 2x 120mm intake for case, would do great on a push&pull CLC GPU
A single ML140 has less airflow and less use than 120 twinpack, while the 120 twinpack was only marginally more expensive.

Yes, you can use them as radiator fans, but there are many other fans just as good.
Yes, they will work as case intakes, but as push/pull on a CLC they will not be any better than other good fans. CLCs are rather marginal in their performance and life expectancy anyway. A better way to go is a AIO like Swiftech or EKWB sell. Much better components, much more cooling ability, and last much longer.
Yes, a single ML140 has less airflwo than 2x ML 120s will have.

carlitano is only pointing out it would have been better to research thing more before jumping on the ML fan band wagon. wink.gif
post #132 of 257
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

CLCs are rather marginal in their performance and life expectancy anyway. A better way to go is a AIO like Swiftech or EKWB sell. Much better components, much more cooling ability, and last much longer.
If I buy an EVGA Hybrid/MSI SeaHawk I don't expect to last them for 10 years, or even 5 for that matter.


Okay, so what are those better fans you're talking about?
post #133 of 257
I'm starting to feel like this thread suddenly became driven by either Rod Serling or Alan Funt.......
post #134 of 257
I made suggestion already.

'Better fan' is relative to application. Kinda like what is the 'best tire.' Depends on what it's being used for. Racing slick are best for dry pavement, not good at all in wet conditions. Mud tires are great in mud, but not on wet pavement, snow and ice. There are many more tread and compositions to consider, and each has it best applicaitons, just like fans.
post #135 of 257
can't see that.
but if it's Gentle Typhoon those are hard or impossible to find in Poland.

And I can't understand why a ML140 would be better optimized for my case, and two ML120s would not, if you said yourself that two ML120s will move more air than a single ML140.
post #136 of 257
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

I'm not meaning to be hard on him. I am simply saying that thinking that one fan is the only one that works well in both case and rad applications, and completely dismissing all others without researching does not allow you to make the actual correct choice. That goes for any component or purchase, not just fans. He was asked directly why he only considered ML fans. I am merely pointing out that there are a bevy of choices out there to consider, and that his assumption about ML fans is limiting him. There are a number of test results right in this thread that show that the assumption is not necessarily correct. The point is that you can't make an educated decision if you only look at one option. It really has nothing to do with how good the ML does on rads.

I'm not into his reasoning or his misconception that these fans are the only ones good, but he was lucky and he did indeed pick very good fans for both primary and secondary use he's intending them for. I dont really see bevy of choices out there, GTs are nigh impossible to find in mainland europe, and at an extreme price premium. You got eloops which are awesome quiet fans, but are pretty weak on performance. Phanteks 120MP fans are good, but they are worse than the MLs. Their 140mm variant is good, but still worse than EK vardar 140/Corsair ML140. The guy might have a 120mm size CLC which means 140mm fans arent useful as secondary option at all.

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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Because the bought fans that are not at all optimized for the Define R5 case he plans to use them in.
And that there are probably almost as many radiators using 140mm fans as use 120mm fans now.
It is also rather obvious Klocek001 grabbed the newest fan released not based on it's performance history, because the ML series have only been available for about 3-6 weeks. The first reviews are 3-4 weeks old now, and as such we really don't have enough applied use to know if they really are good or not .. while many other fans easily as good have years of use to base their performance and life expectancy on.

Why not? High static pressure will mean loads on garbage airflow of R5 due to high restriction front panel and hard drives behind. I'd rather pick 120mm fans for R5 tbh. Tho personally i'd never use R5.
I dont really care about multitude of reviews, 99% of reviewers are clueless as hell as to what to do. Only ones that do proper thermal testing are thermalbench and xtremerigs. Others I dont really take into account when picking fans/WC gear for myself.

And while we're at it, according to VSG, 120ML's are rocking hard. As far as life expectancy, you're nuts to wait 2 years or more to see how long they last in general. You got warranty for that.
post #137 of 257
lol why does everyone say I said they're the only good fans ? lachen.gif
I never said that, a guy said that I said that, this is not at all the same.


I was looking into case fans, saw ML120 TwinPack for a very good price, thought to myself "two 120s are better than one 140, and they will be good if I get that clc'd GPU", then I bought a twinpack. I don't see anything wrong with it. Yes, 140mm will move more air, but 2x120mm is enough for front intake on a single gpu system, isn't it ?


I thought R5 was good for airflow, probably is good enough for me anyway. I mostly picked it because R5 Titanium will go perfectly with my S2716DG aesthetically. I don't like this whole gaming stuff. R5 Ti + S2716DG will have a very classical look. The grey/black ML120s fit the scheme too.
Edited by Klocek001 - 8/6/16 at 8:48am
post #138 of 257
It is.
post #139 of 257
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Originally Posted by Kutalion View Post

I'm not into his reasoning or his misconception that these fans are the only ones good, but he was lucky and he did indeed pick very good fans for both primary and secondary use he's intending them for. I dont really see bevy of choices out there, GTs are nigh impossible to find in mainland europe, and at an extreme price premium. You got eloops which are awesome quiet fans, but are pretty weak on performance. Phanteks 120MP fans are good, but they are worse than the MLs. Their 140mm variant is good, but still worse than EK vardar 140/Corsair ML140. The guy might have a 120mm size CLC which means 140mm fans arent useful as secondary option at all.
Why not? High static pressure will mean loads on garbage airflow of R5 due to high restriction front panel and hard drives behind. I'd rather pick 120mm fans for R5 tbh. Tho personally i'd never use R5.
I dont really care about multitude of reviews, 99% of reviewers are clueless as hell as to what to do. Only ones that do proper thermal testing are thermalbench and xtremerigs. Others I dont really take into account when picking fans/WC gear for myself.

And while we're at it, according to VSG, 120ML's are rocking hard. As far as life expectancy, you're nuts to wait 2 years or more to see how long they last in general. You got warranty for that.
Because 140mm fans of similar design move more air at same speed. It really is just that simple .. bigger fans of same design move more air.

What are you trying to say in the sentence I underlined? Many I'm not understanding things, but it sounds like you are just ranting.

I agree, most reviewer don't have even a hint of an idea about what they are doing.
I agree Thermalbench, extemerigs, coolingtechnique, are good, and so are a few others. Cyclops and ehume do good testing too.

You call me nuts for waiting awhile to see how new prodcut performs after after first release. I call it common sense. Corsair didn't even send out samples for review and testing until shortly before release, and reviewers were not allowed to publish their results until release day. Still, you 'lab rats' were paying money and pre-ordering a totally unproven product.

Look at what happened with the first release of Vardar fans that had to be recalled. What about the numerous Corsair CLC releases that had all kinds of problems, some had to all be recalled, EKWB had to recall the first batch of Predator AIO coolers. Swiftech had some reservoir leak issues in their new X2 line. And these are just off the top of my feeble mind. tongue.gif Besides, I ddn't say to wait couple years. I didn't give any time limit at all.

As for warranty, well they are only as good as company who honors them. I RMA'ed a Corsair PSU because the 'ultra quite fan was so darn noisy that even at an idle it could be heard 2-3 meters away. Each RMA would take 3-6 weeks. Finally I gave up, then a couple years later they finally replaced them with a PSU that is actually quiet enough to be in the same room with. We see this kind of thing in new video card releases rather often .. or used to. Same has been true of motherboards, but there it's mostly driver and firmware issues.

I'll let people like who think I'm nuts to see how something works before I buy. That way I can let you spend all your money on new unproven stuff that looses value very rapidly. I'm not spending hundreds on things that in 6 months to a year are only woth about half or less of their original cost on things not proven to work properly. I'll set back and watch the lab rats try the new stuff before I do.
So please jump right out there and buy all of these brand new products. thumb.gif
Edited by doyll - 8/6/16 at 10:54am
post #140 of 257
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

You call it nuts to see how they perform after they are released. I call it common sense. Corsair didn't even send out samples for review and testing until shortly before release, and reviewers were not allowed to publish their results until release day.

Look at what happened with the first release of Vardar fans that had to be recalled. What about the numerous Corsair CLC releases that had all kinds of problems, some had to all be recalled, EKWB had to recall the first batch of Predator AIO coolers. Swiftech had some reservoir leak issues in their new X2 line. And these are just off the top of my feeble mind. tongue.gif Besides, I ddn't say to wait couple years. I didn't give any time limit at all.

You could have simply pointed to the people in this thread who needed to RMA a couple of days after purchasing......that says everything about it right there. First runs will always be the most likely to find any issues if they exist, reputable companies will correct them (as Corsair is doing), and the adjusted version will become available. It's only logical. I'm not saying waiting six months is reasonable, but a few weeks in the wild usually lets you know if there is an inherent issue.

BTW - you also left out the infamous Raijintek Triton Drink Dispenser option from your list of first run issues. tongue.gif
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