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post #71 of 257
Don't understand why the video didn't work so HERE is the link.
post #72 of 257
THIS is an english speaking video where you can hear the difference between the old SP120 and the new ML120, at 4:22
post #73 of 257
Yes, the interchangeable corners are hard plastic and they go over the rubber sections:

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post #74 of 257
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Contracting to buy thousands of Nidec Sevros' GTs model line requires a much greater commitment than buying a few fans for resale. The quantities involved require many times the expense and commitment needed to buy a hundred Vardar or other fans for resale. I don't know about you, but if I spent many thousands on GT fans and a fraction of that on some Vardars, even with very accurate and honest test results I would certainly prefer the GTs come out looking as good or better than others. I'm sure Dazmode is no different. It's very easy to slant the bias of a review toward one or the other when their respective performance is so close. Face it, few if any reviews of single products are not biased toward the product being reviewed .. and this is just as true when several products are reviewed. We are all biased regardless of how 'neutral' we try to be. wink.gif

"There has never been an objective Being.
Knowing this, the rest is known."

- Upanishads

Agree with your point and I've slammed Daz for the terrible audio quality of his videos which makes the comparisons near useless.

As I had already invested in quite a few Vardars, my bias wanted them to be as good or better. However, in the interests of fairness and boredom, purchased a few Darkside PWM GTs to conduct my own comparo.

The results were stunning to my ears. The GTs performed a little better at a given rpm, but their sonic signature is far more innocuous than the Vardars. The GTs exhibit a very smooth broadband noise profile. In comparison, all my Vardars have a rougher noise character with low frequency peaks and midrange buzziness while being a few dB louder. (And these are the ones with the good bearings! RMA'd a few with nasty scraping bearing noises) And the Noctua F12 is a noisy cacophony while performing worse than the Darkside PWM GT.

For me, Daz's alleged Darkside GT bias is fully warranted. They really are better to my catitical ears. After all these years the Nidec design is still the performance-to-noise standard - when soft-mounted. Hard mounted, not so much.

However, in the interests of fairness and boredom, I will purchase a some ML fans once the initial price-gouging early adopter binge is over. For possibly the first time in history, Corsair's over-priced fans might be worth the premium.
post #75 of 257
ML140 review is up on my website for those interested. Let's just say that I am not impressed by the pricing set, which just helps certain resellers gouge further. These (ML120 Pro and twin pack especially) are selling very, very well though based on what I heard form reseller contacts and such.
post #76 of 257
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Originally Posted by geggeg View Post

ML140 review is up on my website for those interested. Let's just say that I am not impressed by the pricing set, which just helps certain resellers gouge further. These (ML120 Pro and twin pack especially) are selling very, very well though based on what I heard form reseller contacts and such.

So.....essentially not quite as good as a Vardar for 50% more? That's more like the Corsair I'm used to. But these are a huge improvement over their previous offerings, and definitely worthy of consideration if they are on sale. At this pricing, I would pass. Too many fans that perform as well or better for substantially less money.
post #77 of 257
@geggeg: Can you recommend me silent 120mm fans for the EK CoolStreamTM PE 360mm?
Asked here: http://forums.evga.com/Review-of-the-new-Corsair-ML120-Pro-fans-m2513437.aspx
post #78 of 257
I got three ML120 pros to try out, and Two of them seem to have a slight defect. They are relatively silent horizontally at low RPMs (400-800rpm), but vertically they make a clearly audible brushing-type noise. I have tested two of the three outside of my case, both of which made this noise. The other one doesn't make the noise in any orientation while installed in the case.

I'm going to do some more testing tomorrow, but it looks like two are going back. I got mine through kikatek, should I return them there, or go through corsair's website to get an RMA? Don't really mind whether I get a refund or replacements.

Seems to me that Doyll's and other's skeptisicm is a pretty reasonable stance to take redface.gif
Edited by d0mini - 7/29/16 at 4:03pm
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post #79 of 257
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Originally Posted by Dschijn View Post

@geggeg: Can you recommend me silent 120mm fans for the EK CoolStreamTM PE 360mm?
Asked here: http://forums.evga.com/Review-of-the-new-Corsair-ML120-Pro-fans-m2513437.aspx

Done.

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Originally Posted by d0mini View Post

I got three ML120 pros to try out, and Two of them seem to have a slight defect. They are relatively silent horizontally at low RPMs (400-800rpm), but vertically they make a clearly audible brushing-type noise. I have tested two of the three outside of my case, both of which made this noise. The other one doesn't make the noise in any orientation while installed in the case.

I'm going to do some more testing tomorrow, but it looks like two are going back. I got mine through kikatek, should I return them there, or go through corsair's website to get an RMA? Don't really mind whether I get a refund or replacements.

Are you using voltage control by any chance?

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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

So.....essentially not quite as good as a Vardar for 50% more? That's more like the Corsair I'm used to. But these are a huge improvement over their previous offerings, and definitely worthy of consideration if they are on sale. At this pricing, I would pass. Too many fans that perform as well or better for substantially less money.

More like within error margins at 40% more, but the apt comparison would be the twin pack at $20 each which is less expensive than the EK Vardar fans and same grey impeller (F1 and F2_140), no vibration dampening pads but better motor and arguably worse rotor.
post #80 of 257
Ah! Forgot to mention that, no I am using PWM from a Corsair Commander Mini. I double checked it was in fact using PWM, and even used my motherboard's single PWM header to see if it might be different there. Just for giggles though I'll try it with voltage control tomorrow to see if that makes the defect any worse/any change at all.
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