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Hi guys,

I bought a ORIGIN GENESIS big tower PC almost 2 years ago.
It has a CRYOGENIC Stage II Liquid Cooling, connecting the CPU and both GPUs in one loop. It has two 360x120mm radiators.
In the past I already had some issues with the heat, in idle the CPU and GPUs have around 45°C, which is ok.
But when gaming, the GPU temperature goes up to 60-70°C, which is bad for overclocking. Even worse, when the CPU load on all cores is 100%, the CPU temperature rises slowly to 90°C, then CPU throttling begins to prevent overheating. I think the thermal performance of this liquid cooling system is far too bad, especially because I want to swap the GTX 980s with 2 of the new Pascal TITAN X, which have a TDP of 250W each.

So I thought about how I could improve the cooling performance:
  • Better fans for the radiators: I don't exactly know the specs of the standard CRYOGENIC fans, but i think they are not high-end. So I looked for high-end performance fans with a high static pressure and found the Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance fans (http://www.corsair.com/en-us/air-series-sp120-high-performance-edition-high-static-pressure-120mm-fan) with a static pressure of 3.1 mm/H20 and the Sanyo Denki San Ace 120 9GV1212P1J01 (https://products.sanyodenki.com/en/contents/hp0071/list.php?CNo=71&ProCon=1266) with a ridiculous static pressure of about 37 mm/H20 (is this true?), but this fan has also a huge power draw of 3A and 6 of these could not be controlled by any fan controller I know. (Also here are some powerful delta fans: http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/AFB/AFB120x120x38mm.pdf)
  • Stronger pump: Apparently a pump with a higher pressure yields a higher flow rate and therefore a lower temperature. It looks like the CRYOGENIC cooling system has a Koolance PMP-400 (http://koolance.com/pmp-400-pump-id-10mm-3-8in), which has a flow rate of 7.5 l/min, but is also low profile. The PMP-450 (http://koolance.com/pmp-450-pump-id-13mm-1-2in) would have the double flow rate of 15 l/min, but is much larger and I think it won't fit in there. Also I would need a 1/2 inch to 3/8 inch adapter.
  • Two loops instead of one: Even though this would probably increase the cooling performance a lot because the CPU and GPUs would not heat up each other, I think I couldn't re-route the whole loop because of space issues and the risk of liquid spilling.
  • Better / experimental coolant: While you read in some boards that if you mix some special liquids the cooling performance would increase, I doubt that this would have a large impact. I use the Koolance Performance Coolant and think this has already a high thermal conductivity. But If you know a coolant with a much higher conductivity let me know.
  • Other tweaks: There may be more options for tuning I didn't think of yet. For instance I thought about phase change cooling, like advertised for ORIGIN PCs a few years ago. But then I would need at least the Cooler Express Hydra, which is difficult to get. Additionally, I would want to keep the liquid cooling solution so I would need something like the prototype of this one guy who hooked up a evaporator to his liquid cooling loop. I looked also for peltier cooling elements, but they aren't worth it, because they don't really cool, they just transfer heat from one side to the other, while the heat must still be transported away quickly. However, I think of these solutions as a last resort and want primarily improve the liquid cooling loop itself.

This is a repost from Origin niche, because I think on this board are more users who may answer this post.

Does anyone have experience with tuning watercooling performance and can help me? Money and noise are not a big issue, cooling performance is much more important.

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Edited by SebbiUltimate - 7/25/16 at 8:51am
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Have you replaced the thermal paste? Would be a good place to start.
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Have you replaced the thermal paste? Would be a good place to start.
No, I haven't yet. Do you think thermal paste wears out that fast? And do you think the total TDP can be cooled sufficiently by this loop?
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Replacing paste is a good start.
Also check if you still have a good flow of the water (pump)

Have temperatures been this high when you got it new to ?
Even a crappy low quality watercooled pc with 2x 360 rads should not be getting these temperatures.
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Maybe air bubbles in the loop if you had those temps all the time.
Also don't split the loop into two separate ones, there is no benefit to doing that except if you want to do it for aesthetics.

As Farih said, you shouldn't be getting those temps with that cooling setup.
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No, I haven't yet. Do you think thermal paste wears out that fast? And do you think the total TDP can be cooled sufficiently by this loop?

2- 360mm rads can dissipate more heat than that system can make. The Koolance PMP-400 (a.k.a. DDC) is a quite capable pump.. no need to replace unless it is dying. If the link you posted is your computer.. it already has Corsair fans, and they are hooked up to a fan controller.. if you have them set really low that would be some of your problem.

Water cooling is not for the feint of heart, the lazy, or the weak minded. It requires regular maintenance, such as changing fluid, and cleaning out the blocks and radiators, as well as cleaning the dust from the fans and rads.(just the same as air cooling, don't want dust clogging up airflow). And before jumping in headfirst requires a bit of research so you know what you are getting yourself in to, and whether or not it's right for you. Companies like Originpc offer full loop watercooling solutions to their customers assuming they do, in fact, know what they are getting themselves into before ordering.
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If the link you posted is your computer.. it already has Corsair fans, and they are hooked up to a fan controller.. if you have them set really low that would be some of your problem.

Well on the website seems to be a newer build, the fans at the bottom of my PC say "ORIGIN PC", so looks like some other branded fans. Because all radiator fans are intake and are blowing to the other side, it is a bit hard to guess if this is the maximum power, but it could also be possible that these are kind of silent fans and have low max RPM...

EDIT: You can see the fans here: https://youtu.be/sAq_XQd9euc?t=5179
Edited by SebbiUltimate - 7/25/16 at 10:03am
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Well on the website seems to be a newer build, the fans at the bottom of my PC say "ORIGIN PC", so looks like some other branded fans. Because all radiator fans are intake and are blowing to the other side, it is a bit hard to guess if this is the maximum power, but it could also be possible that these are kind of silent fans and have low max RPM...

EDIT: You can see the fans here: https://youtu.be/sAq_XQd9euc?t=5179

Ummmm.. fans make more noise at high rpm than low rpm, as you adjust the controller they make more or less noise................

those appear to be Enermax TB fans.
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Ummmm.. fans make more noise at high rpm than low rpm, as you adjust the controller they make more or less noise................

those appear to be Enermax TB fans.
Of course the controller is set to max. I'm just trying to figure out if there are any other reasons which limit voltage or current. Because if not, then these fans feel quite poor in comparison to other fans.

EDIT: If those are Enermax TB: I looked for the static pressure and it says 0.828 mm/H2O which seems pretty low in comparison to my first post. Do you think a upgrade would be useful?
Edited by SebbiUltimate - 7/25/16 at 11:23am
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So here is a good question, have you at any time in the last 2 years drained out the coolant from the water cooling system in your PC, made sure the radiator, CPU block, and GPU block are clean, and replaced with new coolant?
Have you cleaned out the radiators and fans of dust at all in the past 2 years?
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