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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

^ this
$1200 GPU buyers are rolling in it, so Im sure they'll have fun alright, you dont need to worry wink.gif

thing is, this cut down G5x XP Titan will still wipe the floor with a 4096 shaders HBM2 Vega (most likely)

(of course in p/p it loses to everything, but Titans are not meant for p/p wink.gif )
so was Maxwell Titan X and every other Titan

Absolutely, everyone should stop comparing the price since AMD is to be blame for all this.

If you want p/p just go for 295X2, those card till now is still a complete beast, and faster than an OCed GTX 1080.

Vega will not touch Titan XP in any way. they are 2 years behind officially when their Vega officially beat a flagship maxwell Titan X.
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Buy the TXP now or wait six months for the TXPB biggrin.gif
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post #63 of 83
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Buy the TXP now or wait six months for the TXPB biggrin.gif


And rest assured the TXPB, with full blown cores are going to be > $1200. Unless they come 1 year later.


7% more perf for the same or even more crazy price on top 6-12 month of waiting. Nah its better to get the TX now and just enjoy till Volta at least. The worst is you wait and end up disappoint with the price, which is likely to happen when AMD simply is incompetent.
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The original titan card used a cut down chip as well, and it still cost 1000. Personally I think the price of $700+ GTX 1080 is an even bigger ripoff when you factor in that the yields are probably decent considering its such a small chip in comparison.
Edited by Lex Luger - 7/26/16 at 5:53am
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Depends on how Nvidia had planned their architectures for 16/10nm nodes. If they are going to put Volta in 10nm node, then they probably prepared 2nd gen Pascal already for next Summer. If they redesigned Volta on 16nm, then we would x80 Volta GPUs next summer instead.

Nvidia have yet to not go 2 gen with a architecture since Fermi days, there is no evidence beyond vague guesses by click bait website that Volta would go before Pascal 2nd gen. Even Maxwell waited for Kepler 2nd gen.
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The original titan card used a cut down chip as well, and it still cost 1000. Personally I think the price of $700+ GTX 1080 is an even bigger ripoff when you factor in that the yields are probably decent considering its such a small chip in comparison.
Actually Titan OG is the only one worth its price due to its double precision performance: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/15
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And what percentage of people bought the OG Titan for FP64 instead of gaming?

Gamers? Close to zero. Workstation users? It gained some popularity there as a budget K6000, same as the Titan X as a budget M6000.

That said I have no idea how many workstation users really bought Titans over Quadros.

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Not sure what you are talking about.
Neither the quadro no the tesla have FP16 anymore, as well as the firepro AMD cards. They all have mostly FP32, with the tesla have 1/2 instead of 1/32 on the quadro, but it is also set with all TPCs and not ROPs, so there is a large difference in their capability and what you can actually do with them.

If you are using partial precision calculations, in today's age, you are doing it wrong.

FP16 is "new" on Pascal, with dedicated CUDA cores for it. GP100 has an increased FP16 ratio: for every FP32 operation, it can complete two FP16 operations. It's primarily for deep learning where precise calculations aren't necessarily needed and sacrificing precision for FLOPS is an acceptable trade off.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I'm coming at this from a "it's a Titan, it's not supposed to be a) a cut chip b) not have twice the vram just because and c) lack FP64 angle.

The product isn't there to live up to any preconceptions regarding it's name; the name is there to serve marketing needs.
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I used my previous 6870 for five years before it really started to show its age. Any chip on the 290X+/980+ performance level will easily last years.

Depends completely on what you want to do with it.

I wan't to run Elite: Dangerous at 3820*2160 at ultra settings with 4-8k textures, and never dip below 60 fps on planetary surfaces. My CFX 290X setup, even if it had the VRAM for the texture size I want it doesn't) to run, can see frame rates in 30s at 4k.

A GP102 is the only hope I've got of seeing the performance I want in the immediate future.
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The biggest reason why I miss the pre-Kepler era (besides the obvious price issues right now) is because nVidia dropped the full fat chip right off the bat (8800 GTX, GTX 280, GTX 480, GTX 580), with none of this drip-fed performance BS that's designed to get you to upgrade twice. Plus their release pattern was consistent and predictable.

The prices would honestly be somewhat more palatable if they stuck to the old model, but noooooooo, ever since Kepler all we got initially were the faux x80 flagships only to be followed up by the big daddy chips 6-11 months later. Well at least Titan XP is releasing 2 months after 1080, but then it really makes you suspicious if they're just sandbagging something even better only to drop it 9 months later.

Much riskier to push out the big die first. Yields need to improve before they are viable.
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FP16 is "new" on Pascal, with dedicated CUDA cores for it. GP100 has an increased FP16 ratio: for every FP32 operation, it can complete two FP16 operations. It's primarily for deep learning where precise calculations aren't necessarily needed and sacrificing precision for FLOPS is an acceptable trade off.

Half precision FP (FP16) is not new.

Crippling FP16 performance, now that is new. Worst case scenario before Pascal was that you had the same FP16 performance as FP32, and some architectures could double FP32 performance with FP16.

Given the new found interest in FP16 for AI/deep learning, NVIDIA must have thought it prudent to artificially cap performance so they could sell an uncapped part at a premium.
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I'm not sure people realize how much they are probably holding out with the new Titan XP. They are effectively just terribly binned, fuse reciped, Quadros. They are gaming cards only because they failed some aspect of product engineering/quality as Quadros. I wouldn't be surprised if they do not overclock well, the reduced base clock may prove me wrong.

I find it very hard to believe that the Titan X is worth 1200 even if it is fastest card available. I kid you not, in a few months, maybe sooner given the surprise release, they will release a successor. Similarly to the way the 980 TI provided more overclocking benefits to the previous Titan X. This is a really big milking operation.

I'm not saying its a bad card, but don't be mad when the top spots for best clocks are filled with 1080 TI's if you buy a TXP and it won't budge on OC. It seems to be the only logical conclusion now, given the huge gap in price between the 1080 and Titan XP.

They might even be saving the faster die for a 1080TI.
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Is it? I do not want FP64 units in my GPU, I never use them so they simply take die area (and power?) for nothing. Even for most professional users who need a high end GPU FP64 means nothing (engineers, architects, etc.). Only high performance computing needs it so if you can design two chips I want the one without FP64 and so does almost everyone who traditionally bought the Quadro line. Tesla is where you need great FP64.

Of course 600mm² without FP64 would be even better. smile.gif

Milkyway@home uses FP64 and most all my GPU's do HPC tasks via BOINC and Folding@home.

I for one certainly WANT more HPC capability in GPU's... I want a PetaFLOP in FP64...

Sigh.... all the newer gen cards are getting worse in the HPC department...

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