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If this is true, and Tegra X2 is close enough to XBO power, it will do great. The icing on the cake is if Nintendo lets native Android apps work. If that happens it will sell like hotcakes.
   
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I believe EuroGamer are wrong. Because we have seen these rumours before. It looks like they put all the old rumours together and just wanted clicks.

Wall Street Journal.
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Nintendo would likely include both a console and at least one mobile unit that could either be used in conjunction with the console or taken on the road for separate use.” Additionally, the company apparently intends to include “industry-leading chips in the NX devices

Take-Two Interactive CEO.
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We're believers. We never want to count Nintendo out. They do it over and over and over again. So we feel pretty enthusiastic actually.
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It's not a slump, it's intentional. They come to market, they do really well, and then they sort of exit the market for a period of time. They've been doing it for like 150 years, and that company has been doing the same thing... They're really thoughtful, they come to market with something they really think is going to work, more often than not it really works, it blows up and then eventually they let it decline and they move on to the next thing. They don't mind having time in between.

Ubisoft CEO
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On the NX, what we have seen is really great, so we think having a new machine coming is going to help the industry to continue to grow and to take lots more casual players back in the industry.


If the guys that make GTA, and many other great games are taking about it. You know it's going to be good and more powerful then the Wii U. Wall Street Journal saying industry-leading chips does not make it sound like they will be using Tegra. This info probably came from 10K who got banned from Neogaf. For taking other peoples rumours and saying it came from his sources. Which he got caught. biggrin.gif
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Pascal Tegra will be industry leading chip when it comes to gpu power in tablet form factor so there's no contradiction here.

And saying nice things about unreleased console is common sense - in case it sells well enough you don't want to be on the bad side of platform owner when you release your games on it.
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I like it, finally we can play the mobile library of games that Nintendo puts out on a TV(without having to mod a 3DS for video output).
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Like I said with other occasions you clearly try every time to make negative assumptions regarding AMD and positive assumptions regarding Nvidia no matter what.
X1 is already old and developers are more familiar with this console so even if the NX is close in power it would take a little time before they are able to match the X1.

Anyway it doesn't sound very good, a new console will barely matched the underpowered X1 that is 4 years old.
The funny thing Joel Hruska from extreme tech said there are rumors than Nvidia paid Nintendo to use their hardware.
The PS4 was more successful particularly because it had better hardware than X1 and at least Microsoft has learn their lesson and Scorpio won't be underpowered in comparison to the PS.
And now Nintendo comes along and makes the same mistake Microsoft made 4 years ago. Mind blowing nooo?

How is this particularly positive for Nvidia. I never mentioned that they(Nintendo nor Nvidia) will necessarily succeed. I basically talked about the business side of it. Also, even those pessimistic for you, my AMD predictions have been nearly dead on and better than everyone here(you were on the 1500mhz to 1600mhz bandwagon). And that's rich coming from you. you have never been critical of AMD once. Your always on the positive side for them, and you tend to be negative for Nvidia or to jump on the negative rumors without even explaining yourself in either case, so the hypocrisy is very real. I have been very critical of Nvidia of their founders edition scam. I haven't seen anything similar from you.

I said earlier this is dead in the water if is uses tegra x1 and it has hope if it uses pascal. I said it has 50% chance it uses pascal, which is realistic. Development kits often contain hardware that is worker than the real product. The xbox 360 had x800 based hardware in it for example. Considering both parker and nx are 2017 products, there is definitely a chance that it contains pascal.

I also mentioned that Nvidia would make low to no margins on this and I think everyone has this feeling at this point. If Nvidia isn't making much money from this deal, why do it? And I believe I explained myself rationally for this.

And if you look at gp206 laptop specs, you would know that pascal easily has the potential to reach xbox1 level of performance. The mobile variant of gp206 is clocked nearly 100mhz-150mhz less than the desktop variant and has a power consumption of 60-70watts. This is basically 4tflops for 60-70watts. And as mention earlier, toms results shown this as well when the card was clocked at 1500mhz, it only used 60watts. Thus using GP107, which is only 640 shader part, with a 1ghz clock, is bound to have incredibly low power consumption. That's 1280tflops which is similar to the xbox one.

It undoubtly that Nvidia tflop have higher performance than AMD at this point. There only a 10-15 percent difference in teraflops between the gtx 1070 and rx480, but there is a 50% difference in performance between the two. Also, the gtx 1060 has close to 30% clocks less than a rx480 but outperforms it by 5-10%. It seems like you think mantle/directx 12 is the end all and be all API, but you need to realize that it was designed around GCN hardware. Something designed around cuda cores and Nvidia specific technology is bound to have gains. Directx11 is a hog, so just because Nvidia performs better in it than AMD, doesn't mean they are not being handicapped by directx 11. Nvidia's financial resources and them partnering with Nintendo and developers, can make up for lost time in regards to xbox one development.

With a partnership with Nintendo, and the huge amount of resources at Nvidia, it would be foolish to assume that they could not develop and API which benefitted only Nvidia hardware, which is likely their intent. Nvidia is not a generous company, their are business reasons behind doing this console deal. And they would not get do this deal, if they would not be getting something larger out of it.

Nintendo does not want to get into a spec war with PS4 and xbox one. They made this clear for a while now. What Nintendo will continue you to do is target the casual market, but with the increased power, attempt to atleast get the ports from 3rd party. Normally third party would not develop for a small installed base with a completely different coding, but if Nvidia throws money their way(which they have done repeatedly) along with Nintendo and rationalized it would aid their own mobile strategies and revenue, then they might just get it.

We can argue all we want about which company has the better technology and can make a subjective arguement for both. But Nvidia as a business is undoubtedly run better. I tend to be critical of AMD business decisions more than anything, because much of their financial position is the result of bad ones in the past. If you have read some of my posts, you would know that recently I have been praising their business decisions as of late.
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I believe EuroGamer are wrong. Because we have seen these rumours before. It looks like they put all the old rumours together and just wanted clicks.

Wall Street Journal.
Take-Two Interactive CEO.

Ubisoft CEO
If the guys that make GTA, and many other great games are taking about it. You know it's going to be good and more powerful then the Wii U. Wall Street Journal saying industry-leading chips does not make it sound like they will be using Tegra. This info probably came from 10K who got banned from Neogaf. For taking other peoples rumours and saying it came from his sources. Which he got caught. biggrin.gif

I am pretty sure Eurogamer wouldn't report about it unless they are completely confident about their sources. They are not Wccf or Fudzilla.
NX is supposed to be revealed pretty soon with launch in March of next year which is only 8-9 months away, so given that final specification should be pretty set in stone, i would say that the chance of NX leak being wrong is pretty slim to none.
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I am pretty sure Eurogamer wouldn't report about it unless they are completely confident about their sources. They are not Wccf or Fudzilla.
NX is supposed to be revealed pretty soon with launch in March of next year which is only 8-9 months away, so given that final specification should be pretty set in stone, i would say that the chance of NX leak being wrong is pretty slim to none.

The thing is we all knew all this stuff from past few months from rumours. They have said nothing new here.

Last time EuroGamer made 3DS claims. Saying it will have Tegra. Check the link

http://www.eurogamer.it/articles/nintendo-ts
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The thing is we all knew all this stuff from past few months from rumours. They have said nothing new here.

Last time EuroGamer made 3DS claims. Saying it will have Tegra. Check the link

http://www.eurogamer.it/articles/nintendo-ts

Yes, I am aware of the Tegra rumor with 3DS, but I am also aware that rumor came 1.5 years before 3DS release date. It is possible that Nintendo many have considered using Tegra but ended up using other solutions.

NX is set to be released on March 2017 which is only 8 months away. Final specification should have been finished already and production will start very soon. So with final specs in the hands of potential NX game developers, i would say that the chance of leak being accurate is pretty high.
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Nintendo really needs this one. I'm worried for them and I'd rather they did exist in the hardware end. Godspeed, Nintendo.

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Nintendo, you've given me cartoon gfx since the 80's. It's time to grow up!

or maybe you should? Just a suggestion.

The whole reason console gaming got stale and boring was when the OG xbox came out and pushed gfx. Other console manufactures see this and it's been the same thing ever since, who can push the prettiest bloom. Gameplay has been on the backburner ever since.

Nintendo has never once been about gfx. Gfx are irrelevant. They're more of an R&D company. They try to do weird whatever new concept they come out with to see what works, and when it does, it sells like hotcakes, and when it does, other consoles follow them, it's always been like that, but yet no one wants to give Nintendo credit. Nintendo is about fun. That's it. Period.

If you want your "realistic" muddy washed out over bloomed gfx, go buy a playstation or an xbox.

The only thing Nintendo has really failed on was the Wii U, and it probably would have sold better if they dropped the Wii from the name. Too many people thought it was an add on to the Wii and didn't bother with it.

If Nintendo wasn't doing things right, they wouldn't have just sold out of their n3DS on Amazon in 2 days when they had the 175 dollar sale. Which is a handheld, which apparently people who like Nintendo, just don't care about GFX like the rest of the cry babies here.

Thankfully, the only company that still keeps me interested in gaming on a console is and always will be Nintendo.
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