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I think with a Pascal based Tegra X2(If they use it), it could get reasonably close to Xbone (about as much gap as Xbone and PS4) when plugged into a docking station without power limitations, while no way in hell it would get close while in battery mode.

No. FP16 is not FP32 performance. It's FP32 is actually FP16/FP16 dual. If it did actual FP32 it's gflops would be about 320-380 possibly less. Because it's FP32 is FP16x2 it gets exactly half the gflops of the FP16.

https://imgtec.com/blog/rockchip-releases-rk3168-soc-with-powervr-sgx-graphics-we-go-hands-on-with-image-quality-tests/

Now FP16x2 is noticeably poorer polygon quality. However this is okay on a mobile device.
Edited by SpeedyVT - 7/28/16 at 12:46am
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No. FP16 is not FP32 performance. It's FP32 is actually FP16/FP16 dual. If it did actual FP32 it's gflops would be about 320-380 possibly less.

Um, I am talking about yet to be announced Pascal based X2, not X1 you keep bringing numbers from.
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Um, I am talking about yet to be announced Pascal based X2, not X1 you keep bringing numbers from.

I'm trying to point out that it's using the same tricks to achieve the higher performance. Image fidelity is going to be poorer than using a GPU with native FP32/FP64. It will not be near the XBO or PS4. Light years away from the newer versions. This is of course fine on a mobile device where the PPI is so jammed.
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No. FP16 is not FP32 performance. It's FP32 is actually FP16/FP16 dual. If it did actual FP32 it's gflops would be about 320-380 possibly less. Because it's FP32 is FP16x2 it gets exactly half the gflops of the FP16.

https://imgtec.com/blog/rockchip-releases-rk3168-soc-with-powervr-sgx-graphics-we-go-hands-on-with-image-quality-tests/

Now FP16x2 is noticeably poorer polygon quality. However this is okay on a mobile device.

Why are you using PowerVRSGX as your reference talking about Maxwell in Tegra?

http://www.greenbot.com/article/2879437/everything-you-need-to-know-about-nvidias-new-tegra-x1-chip.html


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Maxwell only features FP32 and FP64 CUDA cores. On Kepler, FP16 operations were run alone on a FP32 core, which wasted some capacity. Maxwell in the X1 is able to fuse two FP16 operations of the same type (i.e. addition, subtraction, and so on) and run them together on a single FP32 core. Android display drivers and game engines make heavy use of FP16 operations, so this could be a real help.


So Tegra X1's theoretical performance would be about 500 instead of 320-380 you mentioned because Maxwell core in X1 is NOT FP16 dual unit.
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I'm trying to point out that it's using the same tricks to achieve the higher performance. Image fidelity is going to be poorer than using a GPU with native FP32/FP64. It will not be near the XBO or PS4. Light years away from the newer versions. This is of course fine on a mobile device where the PPI is so jammed.

No need to bring FP64 as that is irrelevant in gaming app scenario. Tegra's GPU pretty much uses identical parts as those in geforce varients, so there wouldn't be any sacrifice in quality if developers choose to go that route since it supports FP32 natively to begin with. If X2 gains as much advancement as from K1 to X1, then it would pack about 0.8 to .9 Teraflops in theoretical performance which would get reasonably get close to Xbone level visuals (with lower res) since Pascal architecture is pretty much up there in terms of supported feature set.
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Nintendo branded Hardware and Digital Rights Management platform in the form of a dockable proprietary tablet. Color me unimpressed. Also find it interesting that nVidia managed to get in when the other big 2 were using AMD. Even though nintendo has a rather long history with AMD up to this point. Hopefully nintendo will be wise enough to make the battery replaceable so their devices can make it a generation without wearing out. Or, perhaps they're looking to move towards a faster moving model with built-in obsolescence as other manufacturers have adopted.
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The Wii had the controller gimmick. The WiiU didn't have as good a gimmick, didn't have the hardware and it was a failure.

WiiU has better games than PS4 and Xbox One. Which is why I own one. Taking into account all of the released/upcoming games for PS4 Bloodbourne, Second Son and Uncharted 4 are the only games worth buying that are not Wii U or PC bound. Everything else looks super generic or a clone of an existing game. Tomb Raider seems to be the latest game to copy *Cough*GodofWar*Cough*HorizionZeroDawn*Cough*.

If I need better Hardware my PC will fulfill that Role. Considering 99% of the AAA games on PS4/Xbox One will make their way to PC even if I have to wait a year. Looking at you FFXV.
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They should've made a bridging unit that made the docking system do 4k graphics and the handheld do 1080p. When you plug the handheld into the docking system you scale up. Doesn't make sense they way they're doing it.

Maybe. Maybe not.
But in this case, price will go up as you will either have to separately purchase a dock, or go around with a dock.
The whole point is give your kids the handheld, when they go to a trip they can connect it to a hotel TV, or grandparents TV, or just use it in every place at home.
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If the handheld does 720p or 1080p gaming on the go. How long will the battery last. With my Wii U the Gamepad use to last around 2 hours or little bit more. But after upgrading the battery in the Gamepad that solved the problem. If the NX comes with a mobile unit then they will need to make sure this time around they advertise it. And let people know why this is different then the Wii U. Cause a lot of normal people will think it's the same thing as the Wii U. I will be picking one up. Just to play their exclusive games as i do with other consoles.
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If the handheld does 720p or 1080p gaming on the go. How long will the battery last. With my Wii U the Gamepad use to last around 2 hours or little bit more. But after upgrading the battery in the Gamepad that solved the problem. If the NX comes with a mobile unit then they will need to make sure this time around they advertise it. And let people know why this is different then the Wii U. Cause a lot of normal people will think it's the same thing as the Wii U. I will be picking one up. Just to play their exclusive games as i do with other consoles.

 

Got a link to a SKU? The stock battery life is like, really poor.

 

So much that I play with the charging lead permanently on.

   
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Got a link to a SKU? The stock battery life is like, really poor.

So much that I play with the charging lead permanently on.


This is the one i have in my Gamepad. You can find it on amazon. I think i bought my one from amazon. Make sure you get this one it's made by nintendo.

http://store.nintendo.co.uk/wii-u-accessories/wii-u-gamepad-battery-pack/10848338.html
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