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Please WD, please compete with Samsung both with performance and pricing. Somebody has to.

There is lots of competition, just because synthetic benchmarks favour Samsung doesn't mean they're the best. It's no different than ISP's cheating when it comes to speedtest.net or Samsung or other ARM makers cheating in benchmarks (they practically all do it).

 

Test a few SSD's other than holy Samsung ones and see there's no difference in performance.

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There is lots of competition, just because synthetic benchmarks favour Samsung doesn't mean they're the best. It's no different than ISP's cheating when it comes to speedtest.net or Samsung or other ARM makers cheating in benchmarks (they practically all do it).

Test a few SSD's other than holy Samsung ones and see there's no difference in performance.

Unfortunately I don't really have the money to test multiple SSDs against Samsung's myself, so I, as with the majority of people who buy PC hardware, have to primarily assess an SSD's performance via benchmarks from review sites.

Anandtech's review of the 850 EVO showed in their in-house tests, the 2011 version using "real OS/application usage", that the EVO was only beaten by the 850 PRO, with only at most two non-samsung drives giving them competition, but never actually beating either the EVO or PRO.

On top of this, Samsung is currently the only real provider of PCIE 3.0 NVME M.2 SSDs at what might be described as approaching reasonable pricing and availability. They are also the only company to have a commercial 2TB SSD (I think, please correct me if I am wrong!), and even a 4TB one, despite its daunting price tag.



Regardless of whether companies cheat in benchmarks (and surely this is hard for them to do with a benchmark such as Anandtech's which is developed in-house), Samsung at the very least quite obviously beats the others at their own game. Why trust the cheaters who lost over the cheater who won?

The only clear argument I see for buying another SSD is that regardless of who wins in benchmarks in the real world, the performance in daily tasks will appear the same no matter the SSD, and therefore if there is a cheaper drive out there that performs similarly, then why not go for that instead?

I'd say that is a reasonable argument, but I would also say that this view is rare amongst consumers as a whole. The reason for Samsung's popularity is because of reviews such as anandtech's showing the edge they have over other SSDs in their benchmarks, their widespread availability, and the fact that people are willing to pay a little more for the best performing product, regardless of whether there would be a perceived difference.



Because of all this, a company needs to start properly competing in benchmarks, cheating or not, and do it at the same or better price-point. WD might be just the company we need to stop Samsung's dominance on the SSD industry.
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There is lots of competition, just because synthetic benchmarks favour Samsung doesn't mean they're the best. It's no different than ISP's cheating when it comes to speedtest.net or Samsung or other ARM makers cheating in benchmarks (they practically all do it).

Test a few SSD's other than holy Samsung ones and see there's no difference in performance.

Unfortunately I don't really have the money to test multiple SSDs against Samsung's myself, so I, as with the majority of people who buy PC hardware, have to primarily assess an SSD's performance via benchmarks from review sites.

Anandtech's review of the 850 EVO showed in their in-house tests, the 2011 version using "real OS/application usage", that the EVO was only beaten by the 850 PRO, with only at most two non-samsung drives giving them competition, but never actually beating either the EVO or PRO.

On top of this, Samsung is currently the only real provider of PCIE 3.0 NVME M.2 SSDs at what might be described as approaching reasonable pricing and availability. They are also the only company to have a commercial 2TB SSD (I think, please correct me if I am wrong!), and even a 4TB one, despite its daunting price tag.



Regardless of whether companies cheat in benchmarks (and surely this is hard for them to do with a benchmark such as Anandtech's which is developed in-house), Samsung at the very least quite obviously beats the others at their own game. Why trust the cheaters who lost over the cheater who won?

The only clear argument I see for buying another SSD is that regardless of who wins in benchmarks in the real world, the performance in daily tasks will appear the same no matter the SSD, and therefore if there is a cheaper drive out there that performs similarly, then why not go for that instead?

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Because of all this, a company needs to start properly competing in benchmarks, cheating or not, and do it at the same or better price-point. WD might be just the company we need to stop Samsung's dominance on the SSD industry.

I have tested several SSD's and I can say there's no difference in performance between any of them. Windows boots just as fast and programs are just as responsive. Unless we get drives that allow instant boot and instant startup we have reached the limit of SSD's.

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Looks like you're making the argument I thought you might be making. I agree with you, it's just that the average consumer for SSDs and computer hardware in general apparently doesn't see it that way. They buy what they think is best, and because they see Samsung as best, the company can charge a premium. That's why I'm thinking Samsung needs competition.
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